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[OpenGuides-Dev] crawling openguides for its RDF
by Jo Walsh 23 Feb '05

23 Feb '05

hello, as i may have mentioned i've been working on a nodedb map and local information captive portal splash screen server thing for london. earle's been hacking, and the Rev. Rumble helped swat some bugs, thx! it generates node homepages that look like this: (a simplified version goes on the access point splash screen) http://map.wirelesslondon.info/node/44153 with local information crawled from the semantic web, which for practical current purposes just means openguides. (hopefully http://b.evnt.org/ at some point, too.) i had some niggles... - my spider died a few times because it ate toxic XML. i stuck an eval round each page it swallowed, but it'd be nice to not have to. - the RDF links from the HTML category index pages (e.g. http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;index_type=category;ind… are broken (they have null values for the GET parameters) - what happened to http://dev.openguides.org (i get host not found?) if there wasn't a machine-interface HOWTO on there, i would like to add one - generally i would like to think about, and work with earle on making patches to, expose more openguides query type functions - e.g. "find things within N metres of X" - in RDF... maybe we can look at the XML character filtering too. -jo

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Re: map.wirelesslondon bugs
by Jo Walsh 22 Feb '05

22 Feb '05

On Tue, Feb 22, 2005 at 08:25:09AM +0000, Rev Simon Rumble wrote: > I can't really tell from the tiny little aerial photo given. Not enough > context. If things like Hyde Park, Big Ben, Hammersmith Flyover, Earls > Court etc were marked, I might be able to work it out. okay, i view this as a cartography failure on my part; the hopes of this map, over the old consume.net one, was that it *would* supply identifying context... which is easier if your node is right near the isle of dogs ;) what else have i got that will help... try this: http://map.wirelesslondon.info/area/?postcode=W14 - i added a layer of OG points to the mapserver (which is more rawly at http://map.wirelesslondon.info/map/map.cgi?mode=browse ) they're not differentiated, because all i know now is that they are geo:SpatialThings ... one option i could pursue is filtering all the public transport types, and just show them (with little icons like on the splash pages already?) > > 3. the things near you are SpatialThings but they don't have osx/y. > Well this is about 100m up the road from my place, and has coordinates: > http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?Baron's_Court_Station > > > 4. i fucked up something else. > That could be it? i see several things that went wrong: - the places didnt get their special geometry after crawling, this is fixed - the spatial query that i have saying "show me N nearest things" appears to be giving bad results for your location. i really don't know why, because: - it worked fine in E14 - Schuyler helped me write the query, and i was kind of sleepy at the time, and now i don't understand how it works my guess is that the query is returning distances in the wrong order in radius N, and there are a lot more points in the Open Guide "near" you than "near" me. back to the displaying-points matter; apart from inferring things from types, which are just strings anyway wth no reinforcing taxonomy like WordNet (folkschonomy mutter, metacrap), i have no way of making guesses about how *important* things are in different presentation contexts. public transport is always important, and is often on maps. park types, maybe, though they look odd demarcated with points (better park shapes as part of the London Free Map schtick comes next; http://uo.space.frot.org/?LondonFreeMap ) but "this place is important, therefore this one is not" is ripe for annotation wars... i am very open to suggestions on what would make the WL map more usable / more like something that people would point and shout at, within our means. and for making a free map webservice that is useful to OG... zx

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Request
by Andrew Laverick 21 Feb '05

21 Feb '05

Hi I am emailing to request permission to use an image(s) from your site Routemaster Bus images - http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?Routemaster The image would be used as part of an assignment for a web design unit on a foundation degree course at Southport College The image would be included in a website with the facility to right click on the image removed Cheers Andy Laverick Andrew_85UK(a)hotmail.com 30032193(a)southport-college.ac.uk _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself with cool new emoticons http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/myemo

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Wishlist: summary field
by Earle Martin 10 Feb '05

10 Feb '05

What would be really, really nice would be to have a new metadata field called "Summary", which would be used for one-line summaries of the content of nodes. This could then be included in the output of "nearby" listings and make them much more useful. E.g.: 1. _The Dog and Handgun, WC4X 1AA_ (144 metres away) "Crap pub full of angry drunkards, avoid" 2. _International Museum of Fish_ (270 metres away) "Fascinating attraction for all fish lovers" 3. _Marmalade City_ (312 metres away) "Department store for all things marmalade-related" etc. -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: People's Question Time
by IvorW 08 Feb '05

08 Feb '05

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[OpenGuides-Dev] authentication modules?
by Jo Walsh 04 Feb '05

04 Feb '05

hello, i'm wondering if anyone has developed, or is working on, an authentication module for OG. briefly, i set up an OG for some collaborators; they're now threatening to switch to a different wiki, and make the existing one read-only, because the spam problem is so bad. the time/energy i want to devote to fixing this, is minimal. if anyone else is at least halfway, i'd appreciate a peek at code; i know it wouldn't be too much effort to hack something together, but it would be pretty thankless (though i suppose it's something that a lot of people want? trivial 'are you human', cookie-based spam holdoffs have simply not worked... and i know we went through that debate a few months ago...) zx

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Fwd: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Linking to OpenGuides
by Rev Simon Rumble 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Grrr, bloody Reply-To list headers. I strongly protest! ----- Forwarded message from Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> ----- Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2005 10:02:38 +0000 From: Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Linking to OpenGuides Reply-To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> This one time, at band camp, Barry Hunter wrote: > Or is there a way to get a list of currently running OpenGuides, and their > (approx) area of coverage? Well the list is probably small enough now that you could visit each and work it out. Most are city-based, though mine (engineer.openguides.org) is global. At the moment there are no mechanisms for Openguides to talk to each other, but it would be a Good Thing <tm>. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Geeks need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "TV is chewing gum for the eyes." - Frank Lloyd Wright -- OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because nerds travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ Old ravers never die. They just decide house music isn't so bad after all.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Linking to OpenGuides
by Barry Hunter 03 Feb '05

03 Feb '05

Hi, I notice that OpenGuides include a search based on a geographical Location, like http://openguides.org/london/supersearch.cgi?os_dist=500&os_x=525117&os_y=1… I would like to add a link to the Open guide network on my coordinate converter page here: http://www.deformedweb.co.uk/trigs/coord.cgi Is there a central script that I could link to via OS easting/northing or Lat/Long, and it would forward to the relevant guide? Or is there a way to get a list of currently running OpenGuides, and their (approx) area of coverage? For the moment I guess I could get this list by visiting each openguide and downloading the rdf (which I think is offered but cant actually find it!) to get the osgb coords of each to work out the coverage. But as (hopefully!) the OpenGuides network increases this is very wasteful! I ask this because there probably isnt any point linking to the London OpenGuide for a location entered in Scotland for example! SO would like just link to the relevant openguide Thanks for your help, Barry Hunter www.trigtools.co.uk

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] encoding troubles
by IvorW 31 Jan '05

31 Jan '05

>-- Original Message -- >Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:16:49 +0100 >From: maximilian attems <maks(a)sternwelten.at> >To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> >Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] encoding troubles >Reply-To: xlai-feat(a)xemaps.com > > >On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, IvorW wrote: >> I wonder whether this might be the time to revisit node_name_to_node_param >> and provide something more flexible. I have in mind something inwardly >> pluggable that supplies a normalisation function for node names. > >what do you mean by "normalisation", What I have in mind is a many to one mapping (or rather a several to one mapping). http://mywiki/?café and http://mywiki/?cafe should both reach the same page. Also, a link to [[café]] should work, as should a link to [[cafe]]. These indicate that there is a single wiki page for café, and that the various ways of expressing it are translated into a "normal form" (in computer science speak). People would be encouraged to use the accented form in page links. >it would be cool to support the "äöü" and others? I agree :) > >> Currently, n_n_t_n_p reduces multiple whitespace to a single space, replaces >> spaces with underscores and adds Title Case. There is no reason why this > >> could not apply de-accenting of letters or turning umlauts into diphthongs. >> I think that there is a strong case for this being a plugin. > >please explain diphthongs. Example: the word für can also be written fuer. Schön can be written schoen. I don't know what the German word for a diphthong is, but it means putting two vowels together. Also, ß can be replaced with ss. >i'm not a native speaker and dict doesn't know it either. >why de-accenting letters? >"café" should well be permitted as category. café will still work (see above). This would be an option for someone setting up a guide, whether the title munging rules included such normalisations. If there were no normalisations, [[café]] and [[cafe]] point to two different pages. The #REDIRECT mechanism is probably sufficient if there were just a few mappings needed (as is the case with an English language guide: it would be nice for [[café]] to work). > >> Also, this could provide a solution to some of the King's_cross_st_pancras >> problem (I originally raised this as an issue with search, but it could >> equally be thought of as a node name munging issue). >> see http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2003-October/000091.html > >as i'm not familiar with the openguides code, >i may have misunderstood your statements. > >i hope you'll find a solution for this encoding problem. :) Hopefully my explanations are making more sense to you now. Ivor. ___________________________________________________________ Book yourself something to look forward to in 2005. Cheap flights - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/flights/ Bargain holidays - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/travel/holidays/

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] encoding troubles
by maximilian attems 27 Jan '05

27 Jan '05

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005, IvorW wrote: > [snip...] > > I am still poking at this issue, having got distracted by the one > > below, which I think is related but not the same. > > > > Note that the page you get redirected to on a saved edit is wrong, being > > http://vienna.openguides.org/vienna.cgi?Category_CD/Platten-Gesch%C3%A4fte > > instead of > > http://vienna.openguides.org/vienna.cgi?Category_CD/Platten-Gesch%E4fte > > > > This is because the node name parameter is not being properly URL-encoded > > before the Location: header is printed to STDOUT. This bug slipped in > > because I forgot that CGI::Wiki::Formatter::UseMod's ->node_name_to_node_param > > method doesn't actually URL-encode, but expects you to do it yourself > > after calling the method (this _is_ documented). > > > I think it perhaps should, since what I expect from that method is > > something I can bung into a URL and it will Just Work. However > > changing it to do that would break backwards compatibility and could > > lead to things being doubly-encoded, which would suck. Thoughts? I > > may punt this to cgi-wiki-dev as well. > > I wonder whether this might be the time to revisit node_name_to_node_param > and provide something more flexible. I have in mind something inwardly > pluggable that supplies a normalisation function for node names. what do you mean by "normalisation", it would be cool to support the "äöü" and others? > Currently, n_n_t_n_p reduces multiple whitespace to a single space, replaces > spaces with underscores and adds Title Case. There is no reason why this > could not apply de-accenting of letters or turning umlauts into diphthongs. > I think that there is a strong case for this being a plugin. please explain diphthongs. i'm not a native speaker and dict doesn't know it either. why de-accenting letters? "café" should well be permitted as category. > Also, this could provide a solution to some of the King's_cross_st_pancras > problem (I originally raised this as an issue with search, but it could > equally be thought of as a node name munging issue). > see http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2003-October/000091.html as i'm not familiar with the openguides code, i may have misunderstood your statements. i hope you'll find a solution for this encoding problem. :) -- maks

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