OpenGuides-Dev May 2004

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[OpenGuides-Dev] nwe project
by Martín Hernán Ferrari 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hi! I'm planning on starting a openguide for the Buenos Aires city (Argentina). I already have a draft (http://guiaba.mine.nu/cgi-bin/openguides/og), but I have some doubts and I want to share them with you: I'm concerned about language. I hope the guide to be used for locals and visitors, but specially for locals. So, english doesn't seem to be a good option. But: all the other pages in openguides are in english, including Oslo's; and the software doesn't seem to suppor multi-language. I'm not really convinced on using openguides as a platform, since the only features I see which gave me some advantage over other wiki engines are categories and locales (which can be implemented with some hack), and they aren't trated in a special way, it is the same if I put a link at the bottom of the page The rest of metadata doesn't seem to be used except to be shown in the same page (the coordinates system can't be used, since i'm outside the uk). Another important fact is that it is too slow withour mod_perl.. is there any provision for running under it? I don't want to be a flamer, just those are questions that arose when starting this project (which I had in mind before knowing openguides), and may be someone can help me....

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Bad handling of 8-bit characters; state change on GET request
by Dominic Hargreaves 02 Jun '04

02 Jun '04

Hi, The Oxford guide is having problems with some clients mangling the é (in this particular case) in Category links: <http://www.ox.compsoc.net/oxfordguide/> This is a particular problem because of course a GET request on Categories will auto-create the category. The culprit appears, in the most recent case, to be this: msnbot64124.search.msn.com - - [24/May/2004:10:00:57 +0100] "GET /oxfordguide/?id=Category%20Caf%C3%83%C6%92%C3%86%E2%80%99f%C3%83%C6%92%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%C5%A1%C3%83%E2%80%9A%C3%82%C2%A9s;format=rdf HTTP/1.0" 200 1506 "-" "msnbot/0.11 (+http://search.msn.com/msnbot.htm)" I haven't looked closely into which of the bot and us are at fault yet, but has anyone else seen this problem? This needs fixing in two ways: - the site should not create categories on the basis of a GET request (RFC 2616 sec 9.1.1), therefore categories need to be created at the time that they are entered into a node, rather than on first access. - it would be nice to locate the source of this charset confusion, but if the above is fixed this is a secondary consideration (it may turn out that the problem is entirely brokenness on the client side in which case it can be safely ignored) Cheers, Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides version 0.31
by IvorW 28 May '04

28 May '04

Hi there, I notice from the dev CVS that 0.31 has a considerable number of changes. Any chance it can be released? I would like a nice clean baseline for the geographical changes (UTM) I am making. Also, I thought that the code had been changed to use CGI::Wiki::Plugin::Diff rather than OpenGuides::Diff. I will make this change as well. Ivor.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Trademark!
by Earle Martin 27 May '04

27 May '04

I am extremely pleased to see that an existing application for "Open Guides" as a UK trademark (that I've been keeping an eye on for the last year or so) has now kicked the bucket: http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/tm/number?detailsrequested=C&trademark=2199431 Anybody fancy chipping in towards the 200 quid needed to register us a trademark? I'm sure we could raise it between everybody on this list (that is, if y'all think it's worthwhile - I do). -- Earle Martin hex on irc.perl.org http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] Trademark!
by Barbie 27 May '04

27 May '04

On 26 May 2004 21:48 Earle Martin wrote: > I am extremely pleased to see that an existing application > for "Open Guides" > as a UK trademark (that I've been keeping an eye on for the > last year or so) > has now kicked the bucket: > > http://webdb4.patent.gov.uk/tm/number?detailsrequested=C&trade > mark=2199431 > > Anybody fancy chipping in towards the 200 quid needed to register us a > trademark? I'm sure we could raise it between everybody on > this list (that > is, if y'all think it's worthwhile - I do). Would it be worth approaching The Perl Foundation to do this, or obtain a grant to be able to do it? Barbie.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] FacetWiki
by Jo Walsh 18 May '04

18 May '04

i had a brief fascinating chat with the author of PeriPeri, a testingground rdf-backed miniwiki, earlier this evening and ran across this entertaining and possibly pertinent page on faceted classification / unplugging hierarchies etc. maybe old news? http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?FacetWiki FWIW re Habituation, i have found distinct fields and purposes for Category and Locale to be invaluable, but the category foo / category foo index distinction to be a bit painful and disjointy to unaccustomed users... zx

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[OpenGuides-Dev] External link indicator
by Earle Martin 18 May '04

18 May '04

At the moment, links to external sites are denoted with [brackets like so]. What do people think of this? http://www.possibility.com/epowiki/Wiki.jsp?page=About I really like those arrows; that would also let us set the alt text to "(external link)" for accessibility purposes, which is more screen-reader friendly than using brackets. -- Earle Martin hex on irc.perl.org http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] RE: Habituation is bad.
by IvorW 18 May '04

18 May '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-london-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-london-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Earle > Martin > Sent: 17 May 2004 00:00 > To: openguides-dev(a)openguides.org > Cc: openguides-london(a)openguides.org > Subject: [OpenGuides-London] Habituation is bad. > > ... > How to remedy this situation, as far as I can see: > > 1) Warn the users. > 2) Change the code so that nodes no longer have "Category" or "Locale" > prepended to their names. > 3) Find all the pages that fit the pattern of "Fred" and > "Category Fred" > and merge the latter into the former - automatically for > cases where the > former contains only a redirect, and manually for > everything else (not > many cases, hopefully). > 4) Munge all links pointing to "Category X"/"Locale Y". > 5) Erm, that's it? Did I miss anything? I am in favour in principle of what you are suggesting. However, we need to be very careful. Consider an extreme case. Suppose we have a contributor called Victoria, working on the guide. Does she have to share her home node with the description of the place of the same name? Other related entries are distinguished in the node title: Queen_Victoria, Victoria_Station, (category) Victorian. I think we need a metadata field called node type. This can take the following values for starters: - Person - Category - Place - Locale Note: a place has a pinpoint location, whereas a locale has an area. If we put this in place, we could have different templates for each node type. Also, we could distinguish between Victoria(Place) and Victoria(Person). My £0.02 Ivor.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Habituation is bad.
by Earle Martin 18 May '04

18 May '04

I couldn't sleep just now, and a realisation came to me. When you see a thing enough times, it tends to fade into the mental background, until you forget why it was there in the first place. This has happened to us, and I'll tell you where: categories and locales. Allow me to explain. Way back when we were using UseModWiki to run "grubstreet", we came up with the idea of categories and locales. Certain nodes had a magic quality - at least, we agreed they did, although the software didn't know any better - of "containing" other nodes. At the time, no functionality was available to us to record metadata, so things were done by naming nodes "Category This" or "Locale There". However, the creation of the OpenGuides software changed the situation. Now we can to designate what categories nodes are in properly, and mark some nodes as being nodes themselves by being in "Category Category". The analogous situation exists for locales. So why are we still naming pages "Category Whatever" and "Locale Something"? Prepending these definitions to node names is ugly, in a Pompidou Centre pipes-on-the-outside kind of way, confusing for new users ("Locale Wherever" was always an awkward construction), redundant in light of proper metadata (incidentally, "Category Category" should just be "Categories") and, most tellingly, causes a variety of ontological problems such as nodes called "Fred" that have to be redirected to "Category Fred", separate nodes for a place and the _locale_ of a place, and so on, examples of which crop up on RecentChanges all the time. This is clearly what the XP people call a "code smell"[0]. How to remedy this situation, as far as I can see: 1) Warn the users. 2) Change the code so that nodes no longer have "Category" or "Locale" prepended to their names. 3) Find all the pages that fit the pattern of "Fred" and "Category Fred" and merge the latter into the former - automatically for cases where the former contains only a redirect, and manually for everything else (not many cases, hopefully). 4) Munge all links pointing to "Category X"/"Locale Y". 5) Erm, that's it? Did I miss anything? Comments, please. I'd like to mark this as priority for OpenGuides 0.32; Kake, if you haven't got time at the moment I can look into it. Would it require any changes to CGI::Wiki? Ta, Earle. [0] http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?CodeSmell -- Earle Martin hex on irc.perl.org http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] London.pm talk on geographical modules
by IvorW 14 May '04

14 May '04

I will be giving a talk on geographical modules at London.pm which should be of interest to OpenGuides people. I will make the slides available after the talk. Ivor. -----Original Message----- From: london.pm-admin(a)london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-admin@london.pm.org]On Behalf Of Mark Fowler Sent: 13 May 2004 18:03 To: london.pm-announce(a)london.pm.org Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London.pm Tech Meet 27th May 2004 @ The Angel @ Old Street London Perl Mongers will be having a technical meeting on Thursday 27th May at The Angel Pub near Old Street roundabout (that's two weeks today if you're reading this on the day I sent it.) The meeting will start at 7pm, with the talks starting at 7.15pm sharp. We'll be in the upstairs room, which has been hired by Fotango, who are also kindly providing a small buffet for us to eat while people talk. http://london.pm.org/meetings/locations/angel_pub.html http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=532783&Y=182390&A=Y&Z=1 Nicholas Clark, the perl 5.8.0 pumpking and leading ponie developer will be giving us a quick summary of some of the development that's going on with the perl core and ponie (Perl On New Internal Engine.) Many people will be presenting talks that they're hoping to give at upcoming conferences. Ivor Williams will be giving us a preview of the Geographical modules talk he hopes to present at YAPC::Europe, and Mark Fowler will be doing likewise for his talk on turning Perl Modules into CPAN Bundlers that he'll be giving at YAPC::NA this year. James Duncan will be giving a twenty minute version of the talk on Enterprise Perl he's presenting at YAPC::NA and OSCON. Finally we're lucky to have Chia-liang Kao, the developer of the Perl based revision control system SVK in town. He'll be giving us a brief introduction to the current status of the project and what SVK can do for us. I hope to see you there. Mark. -- #!/usr/bin/perl -T use strict; use warnings; print q{Mark Fowler, mark(a)twoshortplanks.com, http://twoshortplanks.com/};

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