OpenGuides-Dev August 2004

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[OpenGuides-Dev] GeoCache.pm
by Dominic Hargreaves 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

Earle, I saw on the dev wiki <http://openguides.org/dev/?node=Earle's%20To-Do> that you want to move it. But why does it need to exist at all? It can be done entirely within the templates: [% IF latitude AND longitude %] <a href="http://www.geocaching.com/seek/nearest_cache.asp?origin_lat=[% latitude %]&origin_long=[% longitude %]">Look for nearby geocaches</a> [% END %] Cheers, Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] nwe project
by Martín Hernán Ferrari 21 Sep '04

21 Sep '04

Hi! I'm planning on starting a openguide for the Buenos Aires city (Argentina). I already have a draft (http://guiaba.mine.nu/cgi-bin/openguides/og), but I have some doubts and I want to share them with you: I'm concerned about language. I hope the guide to be used for locals and visitors, but specially for locals. So, english doesn't seem to be a good option. But: all the other pages in openguides are in english, including Oslo's; and the software doesn't seem to suppor multi-language. I'm not really convinced on using openguides as a platform, since the only features I see which gave me some advantage over other wiki engines are categories and locales (which can be implemented with some hack), and they aren't trated in a special way, it is the same if I put a link at the bottom of the page The rest of metadata doesn't seem to be used except to be shown in the same page (the coordinates system can't be used, since i'm outside the uk). Another important fact is that it is too slow withour mod_perl.. is there any provision for running under it? I don't want to be a flamer, just those are questions that arose when starting this project (which I had in mind before knowing openguides), and may be someone can help me....

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Search engines and edit/delete pages
by James Green 20 Sep '04

20 Sep '04

Hiya. It occurs to me that there's very little point in search engines crawling certain pages of an OpenGuide - anything with "action=edit" or "action=delete" in the URL, at the very least, has no real value to someone searching for information. Unfortunately, unless I'm missing something, robots.txt syntax doesn't allow for matching on anything other than the start of the path component of a URL, which doesn't help us here. It's been suggested to me that ``<meta robots="noindex">'' tags in the <head> of a page are effective here, but I'm not sure of the best way to implement this for edit pages without implementing it for *all* pages, which would be careless. I'm thinking of something in header.tt conditional upon the requested URI containing "action=edit" or "action=delete", but before I wander off learning how to talk template::toolkit, I'd be interested to hear better suggestions -- and other values of action we might care about, I guess. The other, more complex but possibly "better" alternative, would be for someone to run with the idea mooted in this thread: <http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-April/000258.html> Then edit pages could be /edit/Node_Name, deletes /delete/Node_Name, and so on. This makes setting up a suitable robots.txt very simple indeed, though it makes setting up the Apache rewrite rules a) a requirement, instead of just a nice thing, and b) more complex than at present. Thoughts, comments, suggestions and the like all invited. Cheers, James. -- PGP fingerprint 3E85 0C7A FE11 42E9 A599 094D AE16 90F0 81AE 16FF, ID 81AE16FF Fremen add life to spice!

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Suggestion for backlinks
by Earle Martin 19 Sep '04

19 Sep '04

At present, clicking a page's title will get you a list of backlinks. It would be useful if this listing included pages redirecting to the page as well, although I'm not sure if that would require additional stuff in the database. At that point, the list could then include backlinks to the redirecting page as well. -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Combatting wiki spam
by Kake L Pugh 14 Sep '04

14 Sep '04

I think pretty much every OpenGuide has been hit by the casino spammers - basically they edit Wiki Etiquette and Wiki Info to include their URL as many times as possible, trying to capitalise on our googlejuice. We implemented admin delete to deal with this, but it does seem to be the same spam over and over again, so guide admins are having to delete it over and over again. Luckily we have a tool to deal with automating repetitive tasks. I would like this to be optional, extensible and configurable. Here is a suggested spam filtering config file (see Config::Tiny for syntax). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- [discard_edit] locale = www.casino-online-online.com category = www.casino-online-online.com [discard_edit_regex] locale = www\..* category = www\..* [notify_edit] notify_to_email = kake(a)earth.li username = Anonymous ---------------------------------------------------------------------- (I don't plan to implement notify_edit yet, just stuck it in there to show that this form of config file is quite extensible. Dare I say it, this might be a good task to be implemented as a plugin.) When someone/thing tries to commit an edit that matches a discard rule, they'll get an error message explaining what they did that was naughty. So you could use this to block anonymous edits too, by adding the line "username = Anonymous" to the discard_edit section. Comments? Is there a better way to structure the file without having to add any more prereqs? (I was thinking YAML, but that's yet another prereq and people already complain about how many there are, plus it's another syntax for people to learn.) In particular, this syntax doesn't let us say things like 'Disallow edits if EITHER the locale is "foo" OR (the locale is "Hammersmith" AND the username is "Anonymous")'. I *don't* plan to implement anything that complex right now, because it's not *needed*, but I don't want to tie myself into a format that precludes doing it later. Kake

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[OpenGuides-Dev] [will@spanner.org: Geo::Postcode]
by Kake L Pugh 01 Sep '04

01 Sep '04

Haven't looked at the module yet, don't know where he's getting the data from. Kake ----- Forwarded message from william ross <will(a)spanner.org> ----- From: william ross <will(a)spanner.org> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 19:39:06 +0100 To: CDBI <cdbi-talk(a)groups.kasei.com> Subject: Geo::Postcode Hello, I've just finished (for now) and uploaded the module that I use to work with UK postcodes. It handles validation, parsing, location and the common distance-to-here calculation in a fairly economical way, and it can deal transparently with postcodes at different resolutions (ie it will tell you how far it is from 'SW1' to 'EC1Y 8PQ'), to allow for the various data sets that are available. At the moment it's up as Geo::Postcode, but that may well change in order to sit nicely next to similar modules from other countries. The accuracy of its measurements depends on the data set that it's working with. It comes with a basic set of nearly 3000 points that pretty much covers all the postcode areas (like 'E1' or 'LA23'), but no more. That's enough to get started and rough out an application, but for serious public use you will need to license the use of a proper postcode set. The module is designed to accept all sorts of data sources without too much trouble. I mention it here because I use it mostly with CDBI apps, so it is designed to inflate and deflate cleanly as a has_a. If a class already has a se[arate postcode field, it can just be dropped in: My::Person->has_a( postcode => 'Geo::Postcode' ); My::Cinema->has_a( postcode => 'Geo::Postcode' ); my $distance = $person->postcode->distance_from( $cinema->postcode ); ...and much more. I hope it turns out to be useful, and I'd be very glad of feedback and improvements. best will ps. if it hasn't reached your mirror, try www.spanner.org/postcodes/ ----- End forwarded message -----

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] Combatting wiki spam
by Bob Walker 27 Aug '04

27 Aug '04

On Tue, 24 Aug 2004, IvorW wrote: > > > I agree that we need discard_edit(_regex)? immediately. We need a way > of blocking a range of IP addresses and/or domains. > so that would be a robots.txt then ? apache++ # thought of these things already -- Bob Walker http://www.randomness.org.uk/ Achieve nothing more than pretentious incompetence!

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Northern Ireland Open Guide
by Stephen Stewart 25 Aug '04

25 Aug '04

Hello, I tried to upgrade the NI Open Guide to the latest version last week, unfortunately I wasn't so successful - my host runs Debian Stable and most of the prerequisite modules I install locally, this didn't work for CGI though. boo. Anyway, to cut a long story short I looking for somewhere to put the NI openguide. Could it go on ni.openguides.org? :) Stephen

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] Combatting wiki spam
by IvorW 24 Aug '04

24 Aug '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Kake L Pugh > Sent: 24 August 2004 12:46 > To: openguides-dev(a)openguides.org > Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Combatting wiki spam > > > I think pretty much every OpenGuide has been hit by the > casino spammers - > basically they edit Wiki Etiquette and Wiki Info to include their URL > as many times as possible, trying to capitalise on our googlejuice. > > We implemented admin delete to deal with this, but it does seem to be > the same spam over and over again, so guide admins are having to > delete it over and over again. Luckily we have a tool to deal with > automating repetitive tasks. > > I would like this to be optional, extensible and configurable. Here > is a suggested spam filtering config file (see Config::Tiny > for syntax). > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > [discard_edit] > locale = www.casino-online-online.com > category = www.casino-online-online.com > > [discard_edit_regex] > locale = www\..* > category = www\..* > > [notify_edit] > notify_to_email = kake(a)earth.li > username = Anonymous > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > I agree that we need discard_edit(_regex)? immediately. We need a way of blocking a range of IP addresses and/or domains. > (I don't plan to implement notify_edit yet, just stuck it in there to > show that this form of config file is quite extensible. > Dare I say it, > this might be a good task to be implemented as a plugin.) I am thinking that this is the beginnings of a user permissions plugin. But I don't think that we need full blown user permissions to start with. Also, I think that some admins might prefer the 'notification' to be held on the wiki rather than sent via email. They would receive the actual notification via RSS syndication. > > When someone/thing tries to commit an edit that matches a discard > rule, they'll get an error message explaining what they did that was > naughty. So you could use this to block anonymous edits too, by > adding the line "username = Anonymous" to the discard_edit section. > You might want to put some kind of permissions scheme on the pages. A page could be locked - read only to all but admins. Or it could allow an edit, but save the changed version in a different part of the database until someone approves (or rejects) it. > Comments? Is there a better way to structure the file without having > to add any more prereqs? (I was thinking YAML, but that's yet another > prereq and people already complain about how many there are, plus it's > another syntax for people to learn.) > > In particular, this syntax doesn't let us say things like 'Disallow > edits if EITHER the locale is "foo" OR (the locale is "Hammersmith" > AND the username is "Anonymous")'. I *don't* plan to implement > anything that complex right now, because it's not *needed*, but I > don't want to tie myself into a format that precludes doing it later. How about basing it on the apache httpd.conf with a few minor variations. This is at least a format that people are used to. My twopenn'orth, Ivor.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Geek Tourism Open Guide
by Rev Simon Rumble 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Hi folks. I just joined the list because I've long held a dream of building a specific site. What I'm talking about is a geek/engineer tourism site. I'm one of those sad types who, when touring around Vietnam, stops and gawks at big (http://www.rumble.net/travel/photos/vietnam/nw/thumb/nwdamfish-9-0.html) and small (http://www.rumble.net/travel/photos/vietnam/nw/thumb/nwhydro3-9-0.html) engineering marvels. So I'd like to have a site that collects information about this kind of thing. Power stations, significant dams, historic sewage system features, giant tunnels, spy stations, bomb shelters, architectural marvels and follies, engineering accidents, atomic bomb test sites etc etc. The site would include photos, historical information, transport information, opening hours and prices, details of preferred viewing sites and GPS coordinates. So it occurred to me that Openguides has already achieved much of this in a suitably open and geek-ready format. However, it doesn't fit your ontology. Your site gives guides for a particular city or region, whereas this idea would work best as an integrated, global site. That way you could look at a meta-topic on an area of interest (say, atomic test sites). I can see this cross-guide linking is probably a problem you've already encountered (compare the tube networks of London and New York) and discussed, so I'm curious to hear your thoughts. So is this something Openguides would be interested in pursuing? Of course, I'm offering to maintain the content. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net "Which is more musical, a truck passing by a factory or a truck passing by a music school?" - John Cage

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