Hi, I don't follow OG development but as host operator a few things are
coming up. The machine's load is gradually climbing over time and some
of that is OG.
Despite a relatively low hit rate on OG it is consuming quite a bit of
resource. If OG started taking off it would take the machine down.
First up: index.cgi requires 0.35s to perform a `perl -c` syntax check.
Any thoughts on putting OG on a mod_perl server? I have mod_perl running
here of course and we'd need to coordinate some apache.conf stuff.
Second: the supersearch.cgi gulps down CPU, often for seconds at a time.
It is a frequent resident of `top` output. This isn't really
acceptable. I'm going to request this feature be turned off unless an
effective optimisation plan or some other way to reduce its impact
here is constructed pretty soon. Sorry about this but it's encroaching
Third: I wonder if there's some way to instruct robots not to spider
parts of your wiki. This ought to speak for itself:
$ grep crawl /var/log/apache/london.openguides.org-access.log | grep 'action=edit' | wc -l
Finally: I posted about a DoS and was wondering what the status of a
solution was. http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-October/000542.html
Paul (any overbearing tone unintentional ;-)
Paul Makepeace .............................. http://paulm.com/inchoate/
"If my elbow was straight, then I'll show oyu mine!"
So I've been pondering this for a few days, and I don't (yet) have a good
solution. But I have an itch growing, and I need to dump it here before I
totally forget it.
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give the current Categories or
Locales. I'd like to include these as some kind of a link to the Category or
Locale page ... I'm thinking something like an rdf:seeAlso, but that really
isn't descriptive enough. This is where I got stuck working on this idea, I
couldn't find a decent RDF vocabulary to give this idea. The closest is
spacenamespace's space:contains ... but that's the inverse of what I want.
Having said that, isn't there a way to invert the process and get all the
nodes in a Category or Locale via the RDF? I know zool asked about something
like that at one point, and it could possibly have made it into the book.
The ultimate purpose of all of this is I'd like to create a little bot to do
OpenGuides searches. Something like mudlondon, though not nearly as
featureful. I just want something that will perform locative searches for me
when I need a resturant to eat lunch at.
Don't want to hassle but the Lat/Long stuff is very exciting. Any idea
when we'll Kake's wonderfulness in the release? (specifically, the
Debian packages for me)
Is there anything outstanding that needs doing that a mere mortal could
do? (Template adjustments, documentation and the like.)
Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net>
The Tourist Engineer
Because nerds travel too.
"The only sensible way to estimate the stability of a Windows
server is to power it down and try it out as a step ladder."
- Robert Crawford
People interested in projects similar to OpenGuides might be interested
to see http://wiki.ournottingham.net/, whose creator apparently felt
that http://nottingham.openguides.org/ didn't quite fulfill Nottingham's
It uses MediaWiki, which is cool in some ways (discussion tabs!) but
lacks features I for one consider important in OpenGuides (structured
metadata, x-y coordinates) and apparently the content it released under
the GFDL, though this information is hard to find without a spot of
While we're on the subject, does anyone know if the GFDL and CC by-sa
2.0 licence are "compatible" in either direction? That is to say, can
content from either of these guides be easily included in the other? My
rough understanding of the licences suggests not, but IANAL.
 Grumble. This "providing content" lark sure is hard.
Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of
Congress. But I repeat myself.
-- Mark Twain
I often have trouble explaining to people why the Open Guide to London
is better than other London guide sites. So I set up this page so you
can all help me come up with articulate reasons. Please braindump.
22:59 <Kake> OI!!!!
22:59 <Kake> Everyone!
22:59 <Kake> I did it!
23:00 <Kake> OpenGuides location stuff now works worldwide.
23:00 <Kake> http://the.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/openguides/vegan-oxford.cgi is
running entirely on UTM. CGI::Wiki::Plugin::Locator::UK isn't even
installed on the machine any more.
23:00 <Kake> ...and you've all gone to bed so I have to be excited on my own.
Backwards compatibility is safe. The kakemirror on london.openguides.org
is running on exactly the same code and on the live London data.
By the way, what happened to the Northern Ireland OpenGuide?
For some time there have been mumblings and/or rumblings of the possibility
of lots of people hacking together (hmm, lopht) on CGI::Wiki and OpenGuides
in the same place. I offered to host, and it's got to the point where I can
make good on that. When's good for you?
0.44 17 November 2004
Remove all traces of display_categories, which was obsoleted but
not completely removed before.
Improved the efficiency of the search.
Fixed a couple of minor bugs in the search - note that node.tt
and supersearch.tt have changed.
Change the default indexer for new installs to Plucene.
Only run certain search-related tests if Plucene is installed.
Debian packages to follow.
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Since some shops specialise in one thing, but 'also' do another, such as
HMV stocking a small amount of Books as well as CD's.
A way to help categorise between shops that specialise in certain things,
and shops that have them as an afterthought could go as follows.
I'm using the 'Category Bookshops' from the Nottingham guide as an
Waterstone's would appear top, as on the edit page 'Bookshops' was entered
as a 'Primary Category'
HMV would appear below all the ones that had 'Bookshops' in the primary
category box. For HMV, 'Bookshops' would be entered in the 'Secondary
The page would layout as follows:
Node List - Category Bookshops
WHSmith, Lister Gate
WHSmith, Nottingham Station
WHSmith, Victoria Centre
Waterstone's, Bridlesmith Gate
Waterstone's, Wheeler Gate
HMV, Lister Gate
HMV, Victoria Centre