29 Nov
2004
29 Nov
'04
12:49 a.m.
So I've been pondering this for a few days, and I don't (yet) have a good
solution. But I have an itch growing, and I need to dump it here before I
totally forget it.
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give the current Categories or
Locales. I'd like to include these as some kind of a link to the Category or
Locale page ... I'm thinking something like an rdf:seeAlso, but that really
isn't descriptive enough. This is where I got stuck working on this idea, I
couldn't find a decent RDF vocabulary to give this idea. The closest is
spacenamespace's space:contains ... but that's the inverse of what I want.
Having said that, isn't there a way to invert the process and get all the
nodes in a Category or Locale via the RDF? I know zool asked about something
like that at one point, and it could possibly have made it into the book.
The ultimate purpose of all of this is I'd like to create a little bot to do
OpenGuides searches. Something like mudlondon, though not nearly as
featureful. I just want something that will perform locative searches for me
when I need a resturant to eat lunch at.
-Chris
29 Nov
29 Nov
1:04 a.m.
I hacked something rough that sort of did this for the London OpenGuide:
http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/10/whwhwhwh/
code:
http://swordfish.rdfweb.org/discovery/2003/10/whwhwhwh/RDFBot.java
(search for london and you can see the query string I used to get the
rdf)
I remember Kake very kindly making some small alterations so that it
worked.
Libby
On Sun, 28 Nov 2004, Chris Prather wrote:
So I've been pondering this for a few days, and I
don't (yet) have a good
solution. But I have an itch growing, and I need to dump it here before I
totally forget it.
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give the current Categories or
Locales. I'd like to include these as some kind of a link to the Category or
Locale page ... I'm thinking something like an rdf:seeAlso, but that really
isn't descriptive enough. This is where I got stuck working on this idea, I
couldn't find a decent RDF vocabulary to give this idea. The closest is
spacenamespace's space:contains ... but that's the inverse of what I want.
Having said that, isn't there a way to invert the process and get all the
nodes in a Category or Locale via the RDF? I know zool asked about something
like that at one point, and it could possibly have made it into the book.
The ultimate purpose of all of this is I'd like to create a little bot to do
OpenGuides searches. Something like mudlondon, though not nearly as
featureful. I just want something that will perform locative searches for me
when I need a resturant to eat lunch at.
-Chris
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3:22 a.m.
On Sun 28 Nov 2004, Chris Prather <chris(a)prather.org> wrote:
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give the
current Categories
or Locales.
Yes it does! eg
http://london.openguides.org/?id=Whitgift_Centre%2C_Croydon;format=rdf
<geo:SpatialThing rdf:ID="obj" dc:title="Whitgift Centre,
Croydon">
<!-- categories -->
<dc:subject>Malls</dc:subject>
<dc:subject>Shopping</dc:subject>
<!-- address and geospatial data -->
<city>London</city> <postalCode>CR0 1LP</postalCode>
<country>United Kingdom</country>
<foaf:based_near><wn:Neighborhood><foaf:name>Croydon</foaf:name></wn:Neighborhood></foaf:based_near>
Is that the wrong way to do it?
Kake
30 Nov
30 Nov
4:58 a.m.
On Sunday 28 November 2004 09:22 pm, Kake L Pugh wrote:
On Sun 28 Nov 2004, Chris Prather
<chris(a)prather.org> wrote:
Ack! And now that I look again with less weary eyes, it is all there.
However There are no links!
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give
the current Categories
or Locales.
Yes it does! eg
http://london.openguides.org/?id=Whitgift_Centre%2C_Croydon;format=rdf <geo:SpatialThing rdf:ID="obj"
dc:title="Whitgift Centre, Croydon">
<!-- categories -->
<dc:subject>Malls</dc:subject>
<dc:subject>Shopping</dc:subject>
<!-- address and geospatial data -->
<city>London</city> <postalCode>CR0 1LP</postalCode>
<country>United Kingdom</country>
<foaf:based_near><wn:Neighborhood><foaf:name>Croydon</foaf:name></wn:Neighb
orhood></foaf:based_near>
This is wonderful, but I'd like to have a few Links in there like:
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
and
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
in there, perhaps inside the <wn:Neighborhood> along with the <foaf:name>, it
would make moving backwards from a specific node to it's containers easier to
do programmatically.
However I could be going about this all wrong though too, there are aparently
quite a few RDF people who actively listen to this list.
-Chris
1:27 p.m.
On Mon 29 Nov 2004, Chris Prather <chris(a)prather.org> wrote:
This is wonderful, but I'd like to have a few
Links in there like:
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
[...]
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
in there, perhaps inside the <wn:Neighborhood> along with the
<foaf:name>, it would make moving backwards from a specific node to
it's containers easier to do programmatically.
However I could be going about this all wrong though too, there are
aparently quite a few RDF people who actively listen to this list.
Libby? zool? Is this the right way to do it?
Kake
11:18 p.m.
I'm in Oz atm, but it's on my list to look at next week.
Libby
On Tue, 30 Nov 2004, Kake L Pugh wrote:
On Mon 29 Nov 2004, Chris Prather
<chris(a)prather.org> wrote:
This is wonderful, but I'd like to have a few
Links in there like:
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
[...]
<rdfs:seeAlso
rdf:resource="http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;inde…
/>
in there, perhaps inside the <wn:Neighborhood> along with the
<foaf:name>, it would make moving backwards from a specific node to
it's containers easier to do programmatically.
However I could be going about this all wrong though too, there are
aparently quite a few RDF people who actively listen to this list.
Libby? zool? Is this the right way to do it?
Kake
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29 Nov
29 Nov
7:40 a.m.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Prather" <chris(a)prather.org>
To: <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org>
Sent: 29 November 2004 00:49
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] RDF for Locales and Categories
So I've been pondering this for a few days, and I don't (yet) have a good
solution. But I have an itch growing, and I need to dump it here before I
totally forget it.
Currently the RDF view of a page doesn't give the current Categories or
Locales. I'd like to include these as some kind of a link to the Category or
Locale page ...
Locales were already in there as "Neighborhood" tags. I requested categories
to be put in, back in March this year, and they were as <dc::subject> tags.
see http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-March/000242.html
Having said that, isn't there a way to invert the process and get all the
nodes in a Category or Locale via the RDF? I know zool asked about something
like that at one point, and it could possibly have made it into the book.
This works already:
http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;index_type=category;ind…
http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;index_type=locale;index…
Should we put an Advanced How To page on http://openguides.org/dev ?
The ultimate purpose of all of this is I'd like to create a little bot to do
OpenGuides searches. Something like mudlondon, though not nearly as
featureful. I just want something that will perform locative searches for me
when I need a resturant to eat lunch at.
That would be cool! It could also aggregate the search over multiple OpenGuides
if asked to.
Ivor.
30 Nov
30 Nov
5:02 a.m.
On Monday 29 November 2004 01:40 am, IvorW wrote:
I knew that this should have existed, but didn't know how to find it. This
information and things like @INDEX_LIST and @INDEX_LINK stuff are woefully
under documented. Or perhaps I'm being blind again. I found a reference to
@INDEX_LIST inside the Changes file, and again I knew it existed ... just not
how it was spelt.
Could do, but I need to figure out how to get it to work at all first :)
-Chris
Locales were already in there as
"Neighborhood" tags. I requested
categories to be put in, back in March this year, and they were as
<dc::subject> tags.
see http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-March/000242.html
So Kake pointed out. My bad for totally missing them the first time.
Having said
that, isn't there a way to invert the process and get all the
nodes in a Category or Locale via the RDF? I know zool asked about
something like that at one point, and it could possibly have made it into
the book.
This works already:
http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;index_type=category;ind
ex_value=Bookshops;format=rdf
http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?action=index;index_type=locale;index
_value=Acton;format=rdf
Should we put an Advanced How To page on http://openguides.org/dev ? The ultimate
purpose of all of this is I'd like to create a little bot to
do OpenGuides searches. Something like mudlondon, though not nearly as
featureful. I just want something that will perform locative searches for
me when I need a resturant to eat lunch at.
That would be cool! It could also aggregate the search over multiple
OpenGuides if asked to.
1:28 p.m.
On Mon 29 Nov 2004, Chris Prather <chris(a)prather.org> wrote:
I knew that this should have existed, but didn't
know how to find it. This
information and things like @INDEX_LIST and @INDEX_LINK stuff are woefully
under documented.
We discussed this on IRC. http://openguides.org/dev/ is the place to
fill in holes in the documentation.
Kake
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