There was discussion here recently about getting some author attribution into the data. I remain opposed to the idea until we have logins, but should that happen, I'd be all for it also showing up on the page itself, as Wikitravel does it. Example:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal
Scroll down to the page footer to see what I mean.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:37:54AM +0100, Earle Martin wrote:
There was discussion here recently about getting some author attribution into the data. I remain opposed to the idea until we have logins, but should that happen, I'd be all for it also showing up on the page itself, as Wikitravel does it. Example:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal
Scroll down to the page footer to see what I mean.
I agree that this would be nice but I'd be interested on your rationale for only wanting it after logins are implemented.
Dominic.
On 26/04/07, Dominic Hargreaves dom@earth.li wrote:
I agree that this would be nice but I'd be interested on your rationale for only wanting it after logins are implemented.
Well, I'm a little concerned about spoofing at present. It wouldn't be good if miscreants could get someone else's name associated with a topic they really didn't want it associated with - say, a review of a sex shop, or something. Of course, even with logins there's no way of stopping someone registering with a different person's name, but at least we would defend against abuse of the name of existing registered members. I've had lunatics harass me on unsecured wikis by using my name before, and it wasn't a pleasant experience.
On Apr 26, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:37:54AM +0100, Earle Martin wrote:
There was discussion here recently about getting some author attribution into the data. I remain opposed to the idea until we have logins, but should that happen, I'd be all for it also showing up on the page itself, as Wikitravel does it. Example:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal
Scroll down to the page footer to see what I mean.
I agree that this would be nice but I'd be interested on your rationale for only wanting it after logins are implemented.
Dominic.
I suspect because without true logins (via OpenID or something) the attribution is meaningless. Anybody can put anything into the "Who am I" page and credit their edits to whomever they please. At least with OpenID or some form of login system you can only credit to accounts you've authorized against.
-Chris
On Thu 26 Apr 2007, Chris Prather chris@prather.org wrote:
I suspect because without true logins (via OpenID or something) the attribution is meaningless. Anybody can put anything into the "Who am I" page and credit their edits to whomever they please.
In my entire time with OpenGuides I've seen this happen exactly once - someone pretended to be me while making an edit on Vegan Oxford. But I am me, so I knew it wasn't me.
Kake
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 01:32:52PM -0500, Chris Prather wrote:
On Apr 26, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:37:54AM +0100, Earle Martin wrote:
There was discussion here recently about getting some author attribution into the data. I remain opposed to the idea until we have logins, but should that happen, I'd be all for it also showing up on the page itself, as Wikitravel does it. Example:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal
Scroll down to the page footer to see what I mean.
I agree that this would be nice but I'd be interested on your rationale for only wanting it after logins are implemented.
Dominic.
I suspect because without true logins (via OpenID or something) the attribution is meaningless. Anybody can put anything into the "Who am I" page and credit their edits to whomever they please. At least with OpenID or some form of login system you can only credit to accounts you've authorized against.
But the attribution already happens, on the page history. Putting somewhere more useful doesn't fundamentally change anything. I really think you're overstating the importance of strong login credentials.
Dominic.
On Apr 26, 2007, at 5:29 PM, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 01:32:52PM -0500, Chris Prather wrote:
On Apr 26, 2007, at 5:52 AM, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Thu, Apr 26, 2007 at 11:37:54AM +0100, Earle Martin wrote:
There was discussion here recently about getting some author attribution into the data. I remain opposed to the idea until we have logins, but should that happen, I'd be all for it also showing up on the page itself, as Wikitravel does it. Example:
http://wikitravel.org/en/Montreal
Scroll down to the page footer to see what I mean.
I agree that this would be nice but I'd be interested on your rationale for only wanting it after logins are implemented.
Dominic.
I suspect because without true logins (via OpenID or something) the attribution is meaningless. Anybody can put anything into the "Who am I" page and credit their edits to whomever they please. At least with OpenID or some form of login system you can only credit to accounts you've authorized against.
But the attribution already happens, on the page history. Putting somewhere more useful doesn't fundamentally change anything. I really think you're overstating the importance of strong login credentials.
I don't think OpenID is particularly "Strong".
Also I never claimed that the attribution data we have now has any value (except by Kake's example ... that people are generally trustworthy (roughly about 80%*) ), and moving questionable data into a more public view doesn't make the questionable data any better (the argument must be made, which is worse questionable data you have to hunt to find, or questionable data we banner across the bottom of every page). I was simply trying to present a rational for wanting it after logins are implemented (see the making bad data more accessible argument).
Personally it's low hanging fruit, I say make it happen sooner rather than later because as you say there's no real difference from what we have now ... and it'll add value about 80% of the time.
-Chris
* This statistic is shamelessly miss-interpreted from Freakanomics.
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