27 Nov
2005
27 Nov
'05
11:16 a.m.
Given last night IRCs conversations i was pondering earle's contention
that openguides is intimidating.
One answer to this is to have two levels of edit page.
A simple page and an advanced page.
the advanced page would be the same as currently.
The simple page would have the following bits to fill in.
Address:
Postcode:
Description(content):
Where is it? (aka locales):
What is it? (aka categories):
Summmary:
Username:
Comment about addition/change (possibly):
This shoudl be enough data for a useful entry. make it obvious that
only really decription and node name is vitally important and possibly
one of locale or category. Add some ajaxian suggest magic for locale and
categories
Also so as not to poeple off it might be worth having this form on the new
page cgi as well. So they dont have to go through multiple pages to create
a page.
We shoudl probably look at ways to autogenerate the map links and geodata.
I know soem guides are already doing this.
then we can have what edit page you see as an option. For those of who
like to fiddle with all the data.
And of course give the users the ability to see the full edit page if they
want.
now i just need to rememebr the othe ridea i had last night.
--
Bob Walker
http://www.randomness.org.uk/
Very few things dont taste good once deep fried.
27 Nov
27 Nov
1:25 p.m.
On Sun, 27 Nov 2005, Bob Walker wrote:
now i just need to rememebr the othe ridea i had last
night.
auto adding of nodes to a locale based on first part of its postcode
which admiiteldy only makes a lot of sense for london. but im sure it
would be helpful eslewhere.
for that matter in london do it based on their telephone number as well.
--
Bob Walker
http://www.randomness.org.uk/
Very few things dont taste good once deep fried.
30 Nov
30 Nov
10:48 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:25:52PM +0000, Bob Walker wrote:
auto adding of nodes to a locale based on first part
of its postcode
which admiiteldy only makes a lot of sense for london. but im sure it
would be helpful eslewhere.
for that matter in london do it based on their telephone number as well.
Hmm, that probably wants some location-specific plugin. But it also
requires the postcode database, which an OpenGuide site is unlikely to
have access to sadly.
Cheers,
Dominic.
--
Dominic Hargreaves | http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/
PGP key 5178E2A5 from the.earth.li (keyserver,web,email)
12:14 p.m.
On Wed, 30 Nov 2005, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:25:52PM +0000, Bob Walker
wrote:
We dont translate it to areas. but if i live in say SW1 it would be
nice to find all things in SW1. We can work this all out from properly
formatted postcodes.
In no way had I intended to do anythign more speical with it than that.
--
Bob Walker
http://www.randomness.org.uk/
Very few things dont taste good once deep fried.
auto adding of nodes to a locale based on first
part of its postcode
which admiiteldy only makes a lot of sense for london. but im sure it
would be helpful eslewhere.
for that matter in london do it based on their telephone number as well.
Hmm, that probably wants some location-specific plugin. But it also
requires the postcode database, which an OpenGuide site is unlikely to
have access to sadly.
11:18 a.m.
On Sun, Nov 27, 2005 at 01:25:52PM +0000, Bob Walker wrote:
auto adding of nodes to a locale based on first part
of its postcode
which admiiteldy only makes a lot of sense for london. but im sure it
would be helpful eslewhere.
for that matter in london do it based on their telephone number as well.
How? Do you know where we can find data telling us that (eg)
0208771xxxx is at such-and-such a grid ref, or in thus-and-so and area?
--
David Cantrell | random organic glop and a metric fuckton of electricity
You don't need to spam good porn
11:22 a.m.
On 30/11/2005, "David Cantrell" <david(a)cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
How? Do you know where we can find data telling us
that (eg)
0208771xxxx is at such-and-such a grid ref, or in thus-and-so and area?
And isn't this kind of blown away by number portability, where you can
take your existing number with you?
What's more, newer VOIP providers can give you a UK number in any area
code you like, and you don't even need to be in the UK.
4:40 p.m.
On Wed, Nov 30, 2005 at 11:22:22AM +0000, Rev Simon Rumble wrote:
On 30/11/2005, "David Cantrell"
<david(a)cantrell.org.uk> wrote:
Let's not open that can of worms :-) As it happens, geographic numbers
aren't particularly portable in the UK at the moment. OFCOM are
consulting on fucking this up^W^W^Wimproving it as we speak.
--
David Cantrell | Nth greatest programmer in the world
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity
-- Hanlon's Razor
Stupidity maintained long enough is a form of malice
-- Richard Bos's corollary
How? Do you know where we can find data telling
us that (eg)
0208771xxxx is at such-and-such a grid ref, or in thus-and-so and area?
And
isn't this kind of blown away by number portability, where you can
take your existing number with you? 
3:52 p.m.
Hi all,
FWIW, a related comment...
It would be really nice to enable some easier ways of adding pages
into the OpenGuides, which currently relies on dedication rather than
on a "it's so simple I may as well just do it" effect.
One simple but nice touch would be a bookmarklet that allows someone
to easily add a node to the wiki based on the current page they are
viewing (scenario: I find the web site of a pub I like, I hit the
bookmarklet, I add it to the OG). The URL and a "candidate" node title
could be pulled from the current page and used to start populating the
wiki form, subject to additional human input. This would lower the
barrier to people adding nodes by reducing the amount of cutting and
pasting required.
As a first technical pass at the problem, I guess this would involve
amalgating the "Create new page" and "Edit page" pages, or passing
the
URL from the "Create new page" page on to the "Edit.." page, plus a
bit of code on the server side to populate the form fields with this
stuff. Sure there are other solutions too.
Any thoughts?
Cheers,
Tom.
(getting started on miltonkeynes.openguides.org)
On 11/27/05, Bob Walker <bob(a)randomness.org.uk> wrote:
Given last night IRCs conversations i was pondering
earle's contention
that openguides is intimidating.
One answer to this is to have two levels of edit page.
A simple page and an advanced page.
the advanced page would be the same as currently.
The simple page would have the following bits to fill in.
Address:
Postcode:
Description(content):
Where is it? (aka locales):
What is it? (aka categories):
Summmary:
Username:
Comment about addition/change (possibly):
This shoudl be enough data for a useful entry. make it obvious that
only really decription and node name is vitally important and possibly
one of locale or category. Add some ajaxian suggest magic for locale and
categories
Also so as not to poeple off it might be worth having this form on the new
page cgi as well. So they dont have to go through multiple pages to create
a page.
We shoudl probably look at ways to autogenerate the map links and geodata.
I know soem guides are already doing this.
then we can have what edit page you see as an option. For those of who
like to fiddle with all the data.
And of course give the users the ability to see the full edit page if they
want.
now i just need to rememebr the othe ridea i had last night.
--
Bob Walker
http://www.randomness.org.uk/
Very few things dont taste good once deep fried.
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