7 May
2012
7 May
'12
1:13 p.m.
I uploaded the latest release of OpenGuides to CPAN this morning.
https://metacpan.org/release/BOB/OpenGuides-0.67/
There have been lots of changes this release the most important of which
are:
Leaflet support for maps removes the need to rely on Google Maps.
On map index pages you can now find Categories within Locales.
JSON output has been added or improved on several types of pages.
A long standing bug in recent changes has been fixed.
There have also been numerous bug fixes. See
https://metacpan.org/source/BOB/OpenGuides-0.67/Changes and
http://dev.openguides.org/changeset?old_path=%2Ftags%2Frel0_66&old=1395…
for more info.
As you can see the tests have also been renumbered. This was done by
adding a 0 inbetween the 2 existing digits.
We now require Wiki::Toolkit 0.80 and introduced a new dependency on
Template::Plugin::JSON::Escape.
--
bob walker
everything should be purple and bendy
http://randomness.org.uk
7 May
7 May
3:21 p.m.
On Mon 07 May 2012, Bob Walker <bob(a)randomness.org.uk> wrote:
I uploaded the latest release of OpenGuides to CPAN
this morning.
https://metacpan.org/release/BOB/OpenGuides-0.67/
Thank you! I have updated the openguides.org website with this news.
I don't plan to start any major new development work until this
release has been implemented on the Oxford Guide. A lot of the recent
feature additions and bugfixes have been due to requests from Oxford
Guide users, so I'd like to see how the new stuff beds in with them
before I plunge into anything else big.
Dom: where are we on getting recent OpenGuides into Debian packages?
Last I heard, we were waiting for the Template package to be updated,
I think?
Kake
8:58 p.m.
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 03:21:46PM +0100, Kake wrote:
On Mon 07 May 2012, Bob Walker
<bob(a)randomness.org.uk> wrote:
We are, yes: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664561
There are also problems to be solved with Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
in that the licensing of the data included from the Ordnance Survey
is unclear:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558
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I uploaded the latest release of OpenGuides to
CPAN this morning.
https://metacpan.org/release/BOB/OpenGuides-0.67/
Thank you! I have updated the openguides.org website with this news.
I don't plan to start any major new development work until this
release has been implemented on the Oxford Guide. A lot of the recent
feature additions and bugfixes have been due to requests from Oxford
Guide users, so I'd like to see how the new stuff beds in with them
before I plunge into anything else big.
Dom: where are we on getting recent OpenGuides into Debian packages?
Last I heard, we were waiting for the Template package to be updated,
I think?
10 May
10 May
12:23 p.m.
On Mon 07 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
We are, yes:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664561
There are also problems to be solved with Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
in that the licensing of the data included from the Ordnance Survey
is unclear:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558
That's a shame. We can probably speed up the Template issue by
prodding Andy, but I'm not sure what we can do about the other thing.
Can we get round it by installing Geo::Coordinates::OSGB separately
(maybe with cpanm) or does the Debian package insist on all its Perl
dependecies being Debian-packaged as well? This affects the
Cambridge guide as well as the Oxford one.
Kake
2:54 p.m.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:23:16PM +0100, Kake wrote:
On Mon 07 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves
<dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
How hard would it be to move away from needing Geo::Coordinates::OSGB at
all? I've certainly put off adding things to the Oxford Guide because of
the hassle of having to convert to OS Grid co-ords from lat/long as produced
by my phone's GPS and as easily available from the permalinks on
OpenStreetMap. I'd much prefer the front-end to use lat/long, but I don't
know how tricky that is, and if that would release the project from the
requirement to use the OSTN02 data.
s
There are also problems to be solved with Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
in that the licensing of the data included from the Ordnance Survey
is unclear:
Can we get round it by installing Geo::Coordinates::OSGB separately
(maybe with cpanm) or does the Debian package insist on all its Perl
dependecies being Debian-packaged as well? This affects the
Cambridge guide as well as the Oxford one.
4:26 p.m.
On Thu 10 May 2012, Stephen Gower <stephen.gower(a)wolfson.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
How hard would it be to move away from needing
Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
at all?
I don't know the answer to that, I'm afraid. I know it's easy for a
newly-set-up OpenGuide to use lat/long instead of square coords, but
I'm not sure what happens if you try to switch from one to the other
after you have a lot of data in.
Kake
11 May
11 May
7:03 p.m.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 04:26:21PM +0100, Kake wrote:
On Thu 10 May 2012, Stephen Gower
<stephen.gower(a)wolfson.ox.ac.uk> wrote:
I don't think there's a migration path at the moment; a tool would
need to be written to do all the conversions in the database.
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How hard would it be to move away from needing
Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
at all?
I don't know the answer to that, I'm afraid. I know it's easy for a
newly-set-up OpenGuide to use lat/long instead of square coords, but
I'm not sure what happens if you try to switch from one to the other
after you have a lot of data in.
7:11 p.m.
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:23:16PM +0100, Kake wrote:
On Mon 07 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves
<dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
There are two questions:
0) do the statements on the web site correspond to the licence for that
data?
1) is the licence DFSG-free[0]?
2) can it be altered to be made so?
3) how does the logo requirement relate to library applications?
If the answer to the 0) is yes and the answer to 1) is no, then we can
put the package in non-free, which would be irritating (and I'd want to
make sure it was possible to use openguides without having to install it
if not actually using it) but not the end of the world. Of course a good
follow-up question then would be 2)
If the answer to 3) is that it's fine to use it as long as the end
application displays the logo, we'd need to add support into OpenGuides
for doing that.
I think we just need a good way to ask these questions, probably of
the OS themselves (apart from 1, which needs to be answered by the
community).
[0] http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines
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We are, yes:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664561
There are also problems to be solved with Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
in that the licensing of the data included from the Ordnance Survey
is unclear:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558
That's a shame. We can probably speed up the Template issue by
prodding Andy, but I'm not sure what we can do about the other thing.
Can we get round it by installing Geo::Coordinates::OSGB separately
(maybe with cpanm) or does the Debian package insist on all its Perl
dependecies being Debian-packaged as well? This affects the
Cambridge guide as well as the Oxford one.
13 May
13 May
4:15 p.m.
yOn Fri, 11 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:23:16PM +0100, Kake wrote:
Geo::Coordinates::UTM would become the default choice for Debian installs
in this case then.
--
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everything should be purple and bendy
http://randomness.org.uk
On Mon 07 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves
<dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
There are two questions:
0) do the statements on the web site correspond to the licence for that
data?
1) is the licence DFSG-free[0]?
2) can it be altered to be made so?
3) how does the logo requirement relate to library applications?
If the answer to the 0) is yes and the answer to 1) is no, then we can
put the package in non-free, which would be irritating (and I'd want to
make sure it was possible to use openguides without having to install it
if not actually using it) We are, yes:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664561
There are also problems to be solved with Geo::Coordinates::OSGB
in that the licensing of the data included from the Ordnance Survey
is unclear:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558
That's a shame. We can probably speed up the Template issue by
prodding Andy, but I'm not sure what we can do about the other thing.
Can we get round it by installing Geo::Coordinates::OSGB separately
(maybe with cpanm) or does the Debian package insist on all its Perl
dependecies being Debian-packaged as well? This affects the
Cambridge guide as well as the Oxford one.
16 May
16 May
11:49 a.m.
On Fri 11 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
There are two questions:
0) do the statements on the web site correspond to the licence for that
data?
1) is the licence DFSG-free[0]?
2) can it be altered to be made so?
3) how does the logo requirement relate to library applications?
Do you have any thoughts on how long it might take to get these
questions answered and sorted out, and are you willing/able to take
the lead on that? (I am happy to do the prodding Andy part, to get
the Template package updated - I will email him the moment someone
agrees to take charge of the other issue.)
Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford Guide at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I think I asked in a previous email whether it would be possible for
the Debian packages to also look for separately-installed CPAN modules,
i.e. to have the OSGB module installed in a user directory, and have
the Oxford Guide CGIs include that directory in their 'use lib' - was
that question overlooked, or is it impossible? (I don't know enough
about how Debian works to tell whether this is a ridiculous question.)
Alternatively, I wonder if there is any scope for temporary re-hosting
until urchin can be upgraded? Can anyone offer this?[0]
Kake
[0] I don't want to ask bob to do this since I don't really want all
the active OpenGuides living on the same machine.
18 May
18 May
11:27 p.m.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake wrote:
Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford Guide
at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running current Openguides
by July.
--
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PGP key 5178E2A5 from the.earth.li (keyserver,web,email)
19 May
19 May
12:15 p.m.
On Fri 18 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running
current Openguides
by July.
This is absolutely brilliant - thank you very much! As promised, I
have just mailed Andy to ask him about the Template documentation.
Given this, I will concentrate my efforts for now on fixing stuff that
doesn't involve any new dependencies. I am currently moving RGL's
map-related customisations over to the same Leaflet code as core
OpenGuides - once this is finished I'll be able to start moving these
customisations into the core. My plan is to make a drop-in "show
results on a map" template that can be used to map any type of search
results, e.g. ordinary text searches, pages with no photo, etc. (I
already have such a thing for RGL but it currently uses the old Google
maps interface.)
Kake
29 Jun
29 Jun
11:39 a.m.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:27:43PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake wrote:
I should probably follow up on this. libtemplate-perl is still out of
date in Debian and this fact, combined with the fact that there isn't
going to be an OpenGuides presence at Oxford Geek Night next month
after all means I haven't done this yet. But it's still on my radar.
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Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford
Guide at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running current Openguides
by July.
6:03 p.m.
On Fri 29 Jun 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
I should probably follow up on this. libtemplate-perl
is still out of
date in Debian and this fact, combined with the fact that there isn't
going to be an OpenGuides presence at Oxford Geek Night next month
after all means I haven't done this yet. But it's still on my radar.
Oh, yes, thanks Dom for posting about this! I had been meaning to
post to the list and say that our Oxford Geek Night plans had been
postponed (I already informed Dom privately). I need to be in London
that evening due to family reasons, so we're now aiming to make it to
the next-but-one Oxford Geek Night on 19 September.
Kake
28 Oct
28 Oct
9:28 p.m.
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:39:47AM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:27:43PM +0100, Dominic
Hargreaves wrote:
libtemplate-perl is up to date, but the next stumbling block is that
I have not been able to upload libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl to Debian,
since it has not been found to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
As a result I plan to upload it to non-free instead (at least until
someone can tell me that it should go in main) but this means that
Openguides will need tweaking to suit:
http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/307
If the project thinks this change shouldn't be made in OpenGuides
it could be maintained as a patch in the Debian package, although
regardless of legal complexities it's probably worth streamlining
the installation a bit to avoid installing modules that may not be
used.
I would love it if someone could pick this up (it'll mean getting
OpenGuides up to date in Debian and hence on the OpenGuide installations
running on urchin). If not I'll stick it on my list for some point in
the future.
Cheers,
Dominic.
--
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On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake
wrote:
I should probably follow up on this. libtemplate-perl is still out of
date in Debian and this fact, combined with the fact that there isn't
going to be an OpenGuides presence at Oxford Geek Night next month
after all means I haven't done this yet. But it's still on my radar. Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford
Guide at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running current Openguides
by July.
30 Oct
30 Oct
4:19 p.m.
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:39:47AM +0100, Dominic
Hargreaves wrote:
which i have responded to.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:27:43PM +0100, Dominic
Hargreaves wrote:
libtemplate-perl is up to date, but the next stumbling block is that
I have not been able to upload libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl to Debian,
since it has not been found to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
As a result I plan to upload it to non-free instead (at least until
someone can tell me that it should go in main) but this means that
Openguides will need tweaking to suit:
http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/307
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake
wrote:
I should probably follow up on this. libtemplate-perl is still out of
date in Debian and this fact, combined with the fact that there isn't
going to be an OpenGuides presence at Oxford Geek Night next month
after all means I haven't done this yet. But it's still on my radar. Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford
Guide at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running current Openguides
by July. If the project thinks this change shouldn't be
made in OpenGuides
it could be maintained as a patch in the Debian package, although
regardless of legal complexities it's probably worth streamlining
the installation a bit to avoid installing modules that may not be
used.
I think its a change we shouldnt make in the CPAN version. The code deals
with it not being there. A debian patch can remove the hard dep on it.
the test will also probably need the skips put back in place or debian can
rmeove those test files entirely.
http://dev.openguides.org/changeset/1324
https://github.com/OpenGuides/OpenGuides/commit/c20c4cd54226e8c295d249d658b…
although the tests have been renumbered since.
the 2 extra modules were quite small. So given that nealry all guides
actually use OSGB it makes sense that its a dep.
I would love it if someone could pick this up
(it'll mean getting
OpenGuides up to date in Debian and hence on the OpenGuide installations
running on urchin). If not I'll stick it on my list for some point in
the future.
Cheers,
Dominic.
--
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everything should be purple and bendy
http://randomness.org.uk
2 Jan
2 Jan
6:27 p.m.
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 04:19:25PM +0000, Bob Walker wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2012, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
In fact, this *shouldn't* be an issue in that the OS have agreed
to terms which I believe will be DFSG-free. The changes haven't
quite been accepted by the Debian ftp-masters, but I'm hoping that's
just a matter of time:
http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl_2.04-2.html
As far as deploying 0.70 on oxford.openguides.org; I'll be doing this
in about a week after I've run a version of 0.65 with backported
Leaflet changes (see [1] for why) for some more testing. The 0.70 package
has just been uploaded to Debian experimental.
Cheers,
Dominic.
[1] <http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697184>
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On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 11:39:47AM +0100, Dominic
Hargreaves wrote:
which i have responded to.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:27:43PM +0100, Dominic
Hargreaves wrote:
libtemplate-perl is up to date, but the next stumbling block is that
I have not been able to upload libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl to Debian,
since it has not been found to meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines.
As a result I plan to upload it to non-free instead (at least until
someone can tell me that it should go in main) but this means that
Openguides will need tweaking to suit:
http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/307
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake
wrote:
>Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford Guide at the
>next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
>upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
>people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I will make sure that the Oxford guide is running current Openguides
by July.
I should probably follow up on this. libtemplate-perl is still out of
date in Debian and this fact, combined with the fact that there isn't
going to be an OpenGuides presence at Oxford Geek Night next month
after all means I haven't done this yet. But it's still on my radar. If the project thinks this change shouldn't be
made in OpenGuides
it could be maintained as a patch in the Debian package, although
regardless of legal complexities it's probably worth streamlining
the installation a bit to avoid installing modules that may not be
used.
I think its a change we shouldnt make in the CPAN version. The code
deals with it not being there. A debian patch can remove the hard
dep on it.
the test will also probably need the skips put back in place or
debian can rmeove those test files entirely.
13 Feb
13 Feb
8:38 p.m.
On Wed, Jan 02, 2013 at 06:27:46PM +0000, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
In fact, this *shouldn't* be an issue in that the
OS have agreed
to terms which I believe will be DFSG-free. The changes haven't
quite been accepted by the Debian ftp-masters, but I'm hoping that's
just a matter of time:
http://ftp-master.debian.org/new/libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl_2.04-2.html
As far as deploying 0.70 on oxford.openguides.org; I'll be doing this
in about a week after I've run a version of 0.65 with backported
Leaflet changes (see [1] for why) for some more testing. The 0.70 package
has just been uploaded to Debian experimental.
And libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl has now been accepted by the ftp-masters
in Debian main, which brings to a close this particular saga.
Cheers,
Dominic.
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14 Feb
14 Feb
1:06 p.m.
On Wed 13 Feb 2013, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
And libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl has now been accepted
by the ftp-masters
in Debian main, which brings to a close this particular saga.
And what a saga it was! Thank you very much for your tenacity in
getting this sorted out.
Kake
29 May
29 May
7:12 p.m.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:49:55AM +0100, Kake wrote:
On Fri 11 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves
<dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
I've sent an email to the Ordnance Survey about the licensing; you
can see it at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558#24
There are two questions:
0) do the statements on the web site correspond to the licence for that
data?
1) is the licence DFSG-free[0]?
2) can it be altered to be made so?
3) how does the logo requirement relate to library applications?
Do you have any thoughts on how long it might take to get these
questions answered and sorted out, and are you willing/able to take
the lead on that? (I am happy to do the prodding Andy part, to get
the Template package updated - I will email him the moment someone
agrees to take charge of the other issue.) Some of us were hoping to talk about the Oxford Guide
at the
next-but-one Oxford Geek Night (in July), but if the guide can't be
upgraded before then, there's not much point in us going and telling
people about all of OpenGuides' new shiny features...
I think I asked in a previous email whether it would be possible for
the Debian packages to also look for separately-installed CPAN modules,
i.e. to have the OSGB module installed in a user directory, and have
the Oxford Guide CGIs include that directory in their 'use lib' - was
that question overlooked, or is it impossible? (I don't know enough
about how Debian works to tell whether this is a ridiculous question.)
Sort of. It couldn't be a publicly released Debian package in that way,
because it then wouldn't be possible to run it in the expected way
just be installing it with Debian packaging tools, but it could be an
interim stage. More likely I will build the package[1] and install it
locally on urchin.
[1]
<http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-perl/packages/libgeo-coordinates-osgb-perl.git>
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30 May
30 May
1:20 p.m.
On Tue 29 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
I've sent an email to the Ordnance Survey about
the licensing; you
can see it at
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=664558#24
Thank you for doing this! Fingers crossed they'll get back to you
with a useful answer.
Kake
23 May
23 May
9:42 p.m.
On Mon, May 07, 2012 at 03:21:46PM +0100, Kake wrote:
> Dom: where are we on getting recent OpenGuides
into Debian packages?
> Last I heard, we were waiting for the Template package to be updated,
> I think?
On Mon 07 May 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
Andy (the Template maintainer) has kindly fixed the documentation issue -
the docs tarball is now available from the link given in the latest
reply to that bugrep, i.e.
http://tt2.org/download/TT_v224_html_docs.tar.gz
So I think Template packaging should now be able to go ahead?
Kake
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