hello, thanks Kake and IvorW for your input on this subject. i would like to push that item to be included in the next openguide release if possible? at vienna.openguides.org we are bad bitten by that bug. see http://vienna.openguides.org/vienna.cgi?B%C3%B6hmischer_Prater which was added recently but existed before already: http://vienna.openguides.org/vienna.cgi?B%F6hmischer_Prater the normalisation that IvorW spoke about would be wonderfull. feel free to do any test edits you need at aboves place. also if there is any patch i'd be happy to teste one out. i'll hope that can be resolved, so that we can further push the existence of vienna.openguides.org thanks for your help. :-) -- maks