December 2004 - OpenGuides-Dev - Urchin mailing lists

[OpenGuides-Dev] OG performance
by Paul Makepeace 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Hi, I don't follow OG development but as host operator a few things are coming up. The machine's load is gradually climbing over time and some of that is OG. Despite a relatively low hit rate on OG it is consuming quite a bit of resource. If OG started taking off it would take the machine down. First up: index.cgi requires 0.35s to perform a `perl -c` syntax check. Any thoughts on putting OG on a mod_perl server? I have mod_perl running here of course and we'd need to coordinate some apache.conf stuff. Second: the supersearch.cgi gulps down CPU, often for seconds at a time. It is a frequent resident of `top` output. This isn't really acceptable. I'm going to request this feature be turned off unless an effective optimisation plan or some other way to reduce its impact here is constructed pretty soon. Sorry about this but it's encroaching on others. Third: I wonder if there's some way to instruct robots not to spider parts of your wiki. This ought to speak for itself: $ grep crawl /var/log/apache/london.openguides.org-access.log | grep 'action=edit' | wc -l 8242 $ Finally: I posted about a DoS and was wondering what the status of a solution was. http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-October/000542.html Cheers, Paul (any overbearing tone unintentional ;-) -- Paul Makepeace .............................. http://paulm.com/inchoate/ "If my elbow was straight, then I'll show oyu mine!" -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Hackfest cat-herding
by Earle Martin 10 Jan '05

10 Jan '05

So then. It looks like we weren't able to sort it out for this month, so let's do the get-together-and-hack-on-stuff thing this January, 2005. How about the last weekend of the month (Sat 29/Sun 30)? BTW - if it's to be at my place, we can accomodate one overnight (or two if they share a futon!) - first come, first served. Reply here if you're up for it. Cheers, Earle. -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] A few formatting issues
by James Green 09 Jan '05

09 Jan '05

Hi all, and a Merry Christmas! I've been fiddling about with the layout of nottingham.og.o, and have a few minor issues with the templates I'd like to bring up: * It appears there is no div that covers all the actual content of a node; the 'content' div seems to include the navbar as well. Is this intentional? For what I was hoping to do with the layout, these being separate divs would probably be really useful -- either for the content div to stop including the navbar, or for some other div to be created including the rest of the content div, after the navbar. * There are two search boxes on every page (navbar, footer). Would it be easy to add a config option to not have one of them, or just lose the footer one altogether, or something? I think the one in the navbar is more immediately visible, so I'd probably prefer to keep that one. (There's probably also an argument for a special one in home_node.tt somewhere, for guides which have no navbar on the front page, or something.) * The Recent Changes box on the front page looks quite cluttered, and is bigger than I'd like; one solution to this would be to lose most of it, just retaining the node names, and maybe the marker proposed in <http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=9068>. But, I realise some guides might want the full version of this box, as it stands. So I suggest a new config option (yes, I know, another question at install time...) called something like minimal_recent_changes which can then be used in the templates to remove the 'fluff' from this box as appropriate. I'm also not convinced of the point of the "edit this page" link in the recent changes box, but I assume that's there for a reason I've not thought of yet! As another alternative, could the recent changes front page box be made optional altogether? I assume this would be relatively easy to do, and I think this is if anything a _more_ useful option than the navbar being optional. There's probably other stuff, but it's 3am. I'll follow up to this message next week, no doubt :-) Cheers, James. -- jkg((-.+)?@(|the\.)earth.li|@(jimbo|wonky)\.org\.uk|03u@cs\.nott\.ac\.uk) A celebrity is a person who is known for his well-knownness.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Text formatting help
by Earle Martin 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

New, tidier: http://openguides.org/page/text_formatting Associated wishlist item: https://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=9117 -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Charset support improvement
by Dominic Hargreaves 02 Jan '05

02 Jan '05

One of the recurring themes with using OpenGuides is that it doesn't do a particularly good or consistent job of allowing people to use charsets other than iso-8859-1. I've made a page on the wiki: http://openguides.org/dev/?node=Character%20Sets which hopefully sets out what problems there are and how to solve them. Please hack on that wiki page with additions and corrections, and/or make comments on list. Once we have a clear plan of how to proceed we'll need someone to implement it, too :) If you are regularly dealing with non iso-8859-1 charsets at the moment, then your input is especially valuable here. Cheers, Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] making life easier for machines
by Jo Walsh 31 Dec '04

31 Dec '04

hello, i've been working on this service which builds a splash page for wireless access points from aggregated local information. (which right now, is just the open guide to london.) http://space.frot.org/splash/splash/?node=25609 is a quite broken but hopefully evocative demo of what i am talking about, this will be fixed soon. we are hoping to get earle involved in making better integration so we can support openguides, in the new year. we have been talking about what this might involve and as a byproduct of that i have been dreaming about more of a machine interface to openguides. - there are a lot of places in which i can append format=rdf to a URI and see a nice model. didn't there used to be a RSS feed for recent changes? if http://london.openguides.org/index.cgi?id=RecentChanges&format=rdf included timestamped listings for the changes, that would be good. i am positing this while running a syndication service as a client, so a time-based query function - 'show me changes since time t [within area a]' would also make a lot of sense. - There's also a 'show me things within n metres of here' function, and it would be spiffy to have an rdf/xml version of those results. - better inference about types of things described by pages would make interesting things possible. on the SF guide for a while i experimented with using categories to create wordnet terms for rdf type - e.g. the referent of a page in category 'Bar' becomes a wn:Bar then you could have type-based queries within OG - 'show me all things of type foo near here' - though you could do this currently, i suppose, with the category system. on the receiver end, i could filter results without resorting to kludges - e.g. i have a list of n nearby objects and go through them running a regular expression on each dc:subject, ugh it would be nice to publish an informal ontology based on user-created place types, and what you can correlate from wordnet. i was experimenting with this, but just too much like yakshaving right at the minute. Anyway i am hoping to persuade earle to work on something like this and i wonder what the dev community thinks of it. Also handwavingly wondering about collaborative filtering; of a foaf-based service which allows you to outsource recommendations; whether this is asking for trouble; it's probably worth starting to think about? zx

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Index corrupt
by Rev Simon Rumble 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

I've had some wikispam and when I go to delete it I get: Sorry! Something went wrong. Please contact the Wiki administrator at openguide(a)rumble.net and quote the following error message: Search::InvertedIndex::remove_index_from_group() - Corrupted database. Unable to find 'ged_000000000000_c_000000000a9f' record at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Wiki/Search/SII.pm line 143 Return to the Wiki home page When I run reindex.pl, I get this: simon@stout:/etc/openguides/default$ sudo ./reindex.pl Reindexed 30 St Mary Axe Reindexed 99 Notre Dame Avenue, San Jose Reindexed Bletchley Park Reindexed Brogo Dam Reindexed Brogo Rotolactor Reindexed CN Tower Reindexed Category Accidents Reindexed Category Architecture Reindexed Category Botany Reindexed Category Bridges Reindexed Category Category Reindexed Category Communications Reindexed Category Computers Reindexed Category Dams Reindexed Category Espionage Search::InvertedIndex::remove_index_from_group() - Corrupted database. Unable tofind 'ged_000000000001_c_0000000000ba' record at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Wiki/Search/SII.pm line 138 Erm, how do I recover then eh? -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ It's a recession when your neighbour loses his job; it's a depression when you lose yours. - Harry S. Truman

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[OpenGuides-Dev] New Open Guide City Request
by Indra Tjahjono 29 Dec '04

29 Dec '04

Dear Developer, First of all I would like to say Thank you for a great software. I would like to setup open guide to my city, which is Jakarta - Indonesia. Right now I am in the process of installing openguides to my server. What do I need to provides? and Is it possible to have a subdomain under openguides, such as jakarta.openguides.org ? Thank you -- Indra PT. Verinux Linux System "Technology in a smart way" http://www.verinux.com

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Vegan Oxford is majorly spammed
by Rev Simon Rumble 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

There's a helluva lot of wiki spam on that site. :( -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Because nerds travel too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "TV is chewing gum for the eyes." - Frank Lloyd Wright

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[OpenGuides-Dev] IRC logs
by Earle Martin 24 Dec '04

24 Dec '04

...are now live. http://openguides.org/irc/logs/ -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Local installs: where you don't have root
by Kake L Pugh 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

On Wed 22 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > The HOWTO at http://openguides.org/dev/?node=OpenGuides%20HOWTO says > Local installs > If you're installing the OpenGuides modules into a > local directory rather than system-wide, you're going to need to let > the OpenGuides scripts (wiki.cgi, newpage.cgi, preferences.cgi and > supersearch.cgi) know where to find them. That's a documentation bug - this issue was fixed ages ago. I've replaced the paragraph on the wiki with a terse sentence that's at least not inaccurate. Someone else may have time to flesh it out a bit. > An alternative is to add the environment variable PERL5LIB in the > .profile or .bashrc for the user account who will be running the > script. Are there any issues with this? Well: (a) some installs have all CGI running as the web user, and (b) it doesn't work in any case, so yes there are issues. Kake

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Bug? "This is the first version"
by Rev Simon Rumble 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Just saw this pop up in my logs from Google exercising all the links. It looks like it followed the List All Versions link from: http://engineer.openguides.org/?id=Brogo_Dam;version=0;diffversion=1 Looks to me like some accidental barewords in the code. ==> /var/log/apache/error.log <== [Wed Dec 22 13:51:54 2004] wiki.cgi: This is the first version at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openguides/wiki.cgi line 57 ==> /var/log/apache/access.log <== crawl-66-249-66-49.googlebot.com - - [22/Dec/2004:13:51:54 +0000] "GET /touristengineer/wiki.cgi?action=list_all_versions;id=Brogo_Dam HTTP/1.1" 200 461 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)" I'm still running 0.45 here, but managed to get the same error on Oxford at: http://www.ox.compsoc.net/oxfordguide/?action=list_all_versions;id=Bar_Baby… -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "A politician is like a nappy. He should be changed regularly, and for the same reason" - Column 8, Sydney Morning Herald

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[OpenGuides-Dev] sf guide spam
by aaron brownlee 23 Dec '04

23 Dec '04

Hi - Noticed some wikispam on the SF guide. Wondering how active that guide is, if there is someone that admins there, and if there are plans to combat spam bots and remove spam pages from the revision history? Just curious. Your project seem like a great use of a wiki community, but if even the "wiki nature" page gets spam raped every day, I doubt the idea will be taken seriously and put to use. cheers ~ (a)

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Local installs: where you don't have root
by IvorW 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

The HOWTO at http://openguides.org/dev/?node=OpenGuides%20HOWTO says Local installs If you're installing the OpenGuides modules into a local directory rather than system-wide, you're going to need to let the OpenGuides scripts (wiki.cgi, newpage.cgi, preferences.cgi and supersearch.cgi) know where to find them. To do this, you'll need to add a line that says use lib='/path/to/my/OpenGuides/modules'; (using the real path to where your modules are located) in each of them at the top, just before all the other 'use' statements. To me this sucks. You should never need to hack source code to complete an install. An alternative is to add the environment variable PERL5LIB in the .profile or .bashrc for the user account who will be running the script. Are there any issues with this? I see that this has been automated in the install procedure. "Do you want me to munge a custom lib path into the scripts?" If you have installed some or all of the required Perl modules (or indeed the OpenGuides modules themselves) into a private directory, you will need to tell the scripts where to find these modules. Enter the paths to search here just as you would enter them in a 'use lib qw( ... );' in a Perl script. Is this the right way to go? Ivor.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.46 released
by Dominic Hargreaves 22 Dec '04

22 Dec '04

OpenGuides 0.46 has now been released, and now supports geolocation worldwide. It is available from your favourite CPAN mirror, or http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/computing/code/openguides/OpenGuides-0.46.tar… or, indeed, http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/debian/openguides/. md5sum: 7d15d07358114a1097e51308a250e58f OpenGuides-0.46.tar.gz Changelog: Minor bug fixes: remove bogus edit link on index listings, add missing default behaviour for geolocation Update supersearch help text URL. Add nofollow to robots meta tag. Added new CSS class "node_name" for inline non-hyperlink references to node names - see README.CSS for details. Fix bug with diff display on nodes containing macros. Fixed distance search paging bug. Fixed bug that allowed autocreation of locales and categories with trailing spaces in the name. Config management refactoring. This should not result in any user-visible changes, apart from introducing a new dependency on Class::Accessor. Make it clearer in documentation that overriding factory templates is a risky activity. Update feedback details and include URL of RT queue. Add missing tests to MANIFEST so they are included with the distribution. Seasonal greetings (where applicable)! Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Bug with custom templates
by Rev Simon Rumble 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Further to that, it seems to want custom_ for some of the custom template names, and works fine with others. Could be because I'm using the same dir for both, but I dunno. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "It's better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." - Power and the Passion, Midnight Oil

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[OpenGuides-Dev] BOF summary?
by Kake L Pugh 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

Can someone report back on the BOF at the LPW please? Kake

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Release imminent
by Dominic Hargreaves 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

(this is the last thread from me tonight, don't worry...) I'd like to release in the next day or two to push out a couple of small but irritating and potentiall harmful bugs. Does anyone have anything small that they want to such a maintainance release? I'll assume not if I don't hear anything before I get home late tomorrow evening. Cheers, Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Config management
by Dominic Hargreaves 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

I've recently uncovered a bug in the config handling of OpenGuides. Sometimes default config values are set inside the script, but inconsistently (and multiple times). This causes problems when the config file is missing an item. In my opinion all software should gracefully handle missing configuration items as much as possible, but at the same time having to set the same default in the code itself (for example, geo_handler is set and defaulted three times in the code) is bad. I suspect the best way to solve this would be something along the lines of a getconf method in OpenGuides::Utils which would look like Config::Tiny, but with hardcoded defaults built in. This would solve the problem of inconsistent defaults, and also abstract away the details of where the config comes from, should we want to expand the possiblities in future (eg reading config from a database, a different Config::Foo module, etc). Another immediate application for this is the possibility of a global config, as discussed in <http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2003-September/000043.html>. In fact the patch in that mail does provide something quite similar, but I think not relying on another external config file being findable would be best (though supporting it would be good), and I think that patch tries to be too clever (and makes assumptions about file locations). We basically want to be able to do my $config = OpenGuides::Utils->getconf; once and then not care any more. We should also have a definition of what should be considered a required value, because of course some variables do not have a sensible default at all. Something like: # Default configuration definitions my %defaults = (dbname => undef, dbuser => undef, dbpass => undef, dbhost => "localhost", script_url => "http://localhost/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi", use_plucene => 1, indexing_directory => undef, enable_page_deletion => 0, admin_pass => "Change This!", stylesheet_url => undef, site_name => "Unconfigured OpenGuides site", navbar_on_home_page => 1, home_name => "Home", site_desc => "A default configuration of OpenGuides", default_city => "London", default_country => "United Kingdom", default_language => "en", contact_email => "openguides-admin\(a)example.com", formatting_rules_node => "Text Formatting Examples", backlinks_in_title => 0, geo_handler => 1, ellipsoid => "International"); To preempt the possible question "Why do this? The Build script always adds in all the require values": the answer is that software should be robust, and we need to cope with people willy-nilly hacking around with the config files. This includes people who want to build distributions of OpenGuides such as me for Debian. In that context the Build script is not the best way of managing things. By contrast, hard-coded defaults is Utils.pm can be considered immutable. Also, of course, this hardcoding of defaults is already been done, and badly. It would make the code more understandable and less prone to error to be able to look in one place to discover the default behaviour of the code. What do people think of this idea? Would someone like to step up and implement it? If the answer is yes, and rt.cpan.org comes back up, I'll submit it as a wishlist bug. Cheers, Dominic.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade
by Rev Simon Rumble 07 Dec '04

07 Dec '04

Doh, I sent this to openguides-london. Sorry. After an upgrade, I get these errors with the SQLite modules: [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] index.cgi: install_driver(SQLite) failed: Can't locate DBD/SQLite.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 9) line 3. [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] index.cgi: Perhaps the DBD::SQLite perl module hasn't been fully installed, [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] index.cgi: or perhaps the capitalisation of 'SQLite' isn't right. [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] index.cgi: Available drivers: DBM, ExampleP, File, Proxy, SQLite2, Sponge, mysql. [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] index.cgi: at /usr/share/perl5/CGI/Wiki/Store/Database.pm line 110 Can't call method "header" on an undefined value at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openguides/index.cgi line 138. [Mon Dec 6 12:58:25 2004] [error] [client 217.34.209.204] Premature end of script headers: /usr/lib/cgi-bin/openguides/index.cgi It seems the upgrade has moved the module to: /usr/share/perl5/DBD/SQLite2.pm I tried symlinking it to: /usr/share/perl5/DBD/SQLite.pm But the other errors remained. Ideas? -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Just because you're on holiday, doesn't mean you're not a geek. http://engineer.openguides.org/ Grub first, then ethics. - Bertolt Brecht

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade
by Dominic Hargreaves 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 08:58:11AM -0500, IvorW wrote: > As far as I know you should not be using SQLite2.pm as this is older than, and superseded > by SQLite.pm, which is actually SQLite version 3 just to confuse you. CGI::Wiki declares a dependency on DBD::SQLite >= 0.25. Is this wrong? Cheers, Dominic.

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade
by Dominic Hargreaves 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:13:36AM -0500, IvorW wrote: > Not at all. DBD::SQLite and DBD::SQLite2 are different modules, ostensibly > as far as CPAN is concerned. Indeed. I was just checking that there wasn't any other reason that we shouldn't be using an older version of the module apart from naming conventions > I think that you might possibly run into problems if DBD::SQLite2 is already > installed, which is why we haven't seen more occurrences of this problem. The problem in this case was triggered by the slightly odd upload to Debian. Dominic.

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade
by IvorW 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Dominic > Hargreaves > Sent: 06 December 2004 14:14 > To: OpenGuides software developers > Cc: cgi-wiki-dev(a)earth.li > Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade > > > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 08:58:11AM -0500, IvorW wrote: > > > As far as I know you should not be using SQLite2.pm as this > is older than, and superseded > > by SQLite.pm, which is actually SQLite version 3 just to > confuse you. > > CGI::Wiki declares a dependency on DBD::SQLite >= 0.25. Is this wrong? Not at all. DBD::SQLite and DBD::SQLite2 are different modules, ostensibly as far as CPAN is concerned. I think that you might possibly run into problems if DBD::SQLite2 is already installed, which is why we haven't seen more occurrences of this problem. Hope this helps, Ivor.

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade
by IvorW 06 Dec '04

06 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Rev Simon > Rumble > Sent: 06 December 2004 13:56 > To: openguides-dev(a)openguides.org > Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] SQLite fails after upgrade > > > Doh, I sent this to openguides-london. Sorry. > > After an upgrade, I get these errors with the SQLite modules: > > [various errors] > > It seems the upgrade has moved the module to: > /usr/share/perl5/DBD/SQLite2.pm > > I tried symlinking it to: > /usr/share/perl5/DBD/SQLite.pm > > But the other errors remained. > > Ideas? As far as I know you should not be using SQLite2.pm as this is older than, and superseded by SQLite.pm, which is actually SQLite version 3 just to confuse you.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] openguides.org down?
by Rev Simon Rumble 05 Dec '04

05 Dec '04

Both openguides.org and london.openguides.org seem to be refusing connections. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Geeks need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "Dans ce pays ci, c'est bon, de temps en temps, de tuer un amiral pour encourager les autres" - Voltaire

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by Adam Auden 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

On Wed, 01 Dec 2004 09:52:16 -0500, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > Lunch time seems favourite so far. Anyone recommend a venue? Not that I can make it but the Queens Arms' beer selection and quality has made a marked improvement of late, does decent nosh and is just round the corner from the Union: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/show.shtml/6520/Queens_Arms/South_Kens… (Yes, I should have added an entry, excuse my slackness). A. -- Adam Auden - UNIX Metal Geek whois bimble.net

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by IvorW 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Kake L Pugh > Sent: 01 December 2004 14:20 > To: OpenGuides software developers > Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004 > > > Kake wrote: > >> I'm going to the LPW. What do you want to do with this BOF? > > On Wed 01 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > > In terms of what we want to talk about, I believe that discussion > > will emerge. I wasn't planning to set an agenda up-front, unless > > you disagree. > > No, I mean for example are you suggesting we go to lunch together? Or > make sure that we all get together in the pub afterwards? Or...? > Lunch time seems favourite so far. Anyone recommend a venue?

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by Rev Simon Rumble 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

I've just worked out I _can_ go to LPW, thankfully, but only until the early evening. Lunchtime BOF would suit me best. Lunch is from 13:30-14:15, so perhaps not long enough. Friday evening is in, as is later in the evening. (I have a friend leaving for Australia who arrives mid-afternoon and flies out at 22:00, so we want to grab a bite before he heads off.) -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Nerds need vacations too. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "It's the good girls who keep the diaries, the bad girls never have the time." - Tallulah Bankhead

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by Kake L Pugh 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

Kake wrote: >> I'm going to the LPW. What do you want to do with this BOF? On Wed 01 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > In terms of what we want to talk about, I believe that discussion > will emerge. I wasn't planning to set an agenda up-front, unless > you disagree. No, I mean for example are you suggesting we go to lunch together? Or make sure that we all get together in the pub afterwards? Or...? Kake

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by IvorW 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Kake L Pugh > Sent: 01 December 2004 12:57 > To: OpenGuides software developers > Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004 > > > On Wed 01 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > > I'd like to organise an OpenGuides BOF at the London Perl Workshop > > if there is sufficient interest. > > I'm going to the LPW. What do you want to do with this BOF? It was mainly that the event provides an opportunity to meet in the flesh, some non-London.pmers interested in OpenGuides. I am pleased that Dom is going as I have not met him yet. IRC and mailing lists are fine, but you can't beat meeting people in person. I also see this as an opportunity to recruit more contributors and guide hosts. In terms of what we want to talk about, I believe that discussion will emerge. I wasn't planning to set an agenda up-front, unless you disagree.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.45 released
by Dominic Hargreaves 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

OpenGuides 0.45 has now been released, and now supports geolocation worldwide. It is available from your favourite CPAN mirror, or http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/computing/code/openguides/OpenGuides-0.45.tar… md5sum: 218b27cc4df3c6de3e8295adc9c0ae26 OpenGuides-0.45.tar.gz Changelog: Made the geolocation stuff work worldwide. Squeeeeeee! You can now choose between doing your distance calculations with the British National Grid, the Irish National Grid, or a UTM ellipsoid. If you wish to use anything other than the British National Grid and you have pre-existing location data then you will need to save an edit of each node with location data before distance searches will work. In less exciting news: Fixed bug relating to lat/long representation. Removed debugging warn accidentally left in last release. Fixed some HTML validation errors. Debian packages are also available from the usual place. Dominic.

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.45 released
by Kake L Pugh 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

On Wed 01 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > http://un.earth.li/~ivorw/slides/geogmod.ppt Turned out of power point by me and Dom: http://openguides.org/dev/?node=Ivor%27s+Geo+Talk+Slides Kake

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by Kake L Pugh 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

On Wed 01 Dec 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > I'd like to organise an OpenGuides BOF at the London Perl Workshop > if there is sufficient interest. I'm going to the LPW. What do you want to do with this BOF? Kake

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Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by Dominic Hargreaves 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 07:44:56AM -0500, IvorW wrote: > I'd like to organise an OpenGuides BOF at the London Perl Workshop > if there is sufficient interest. I'll be there. Dom.

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[OpenGuides-Dev] Proposed BOF at lpw 2004
by IvorW 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

I'd like to organise an OpenGuides BOF at the London Perl Workshop if there is sufficient interest. A BOF is a Birds-of-a-feather gathering, usually a special interest caucus at a larger conference. It does not need to appear in the official timetable for the main event. -----Original Message----- From: london.pm-admin(a)london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-admin@london.pm.org]On Behalf Of lpw Sent: 29 October 2004 15:58 To: london.pm-announce(a)london.pm.org Subject: [ANNOUNCE] London Perl Workshop: Registration now open =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= London Perl Workshop, 2004 - Registration open =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Imperial College Union, London, UK Saturday 11th December 2004 Registration for the London Perl Workshop is now open. You can sign up here http://london.pm.org/lpw/signup.html and a provisional list of speakers is here http://london.pm.org/lpw/talks.html As we hoped the workshop will be entirely free thanks to some generous sponsors and we may also try and fit in an open, lightning talks style informal track depending on circumstances. Places at the Workshop may be limited by insurance constraints so please register early. Thanks, -- The Organisers -- The London Perl Workshop, Decemeber 11th Imperial College Union http://london.pm.org/lpw lpw-2004(a)london.pm.org

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RE: [OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.45 released
by IvorW 01 Dec '04

01 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Kake L Pugh > Sent: 01 December 2004 12:19 > To: OpenGuides software developers > Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.45 released > > > On Wed 01 Dec 2004, Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> wrote: > > Can you explain this setting? What are the options? > > You can use any ellipsoid accepted by Geo::Coordinates::UTM. > > > Do users entering coordinates need to know? > > No. > > Kake For some background information, please see the slides for a talk I gave to London.pm http://un.earth.li/~ivorw/slides/geogmod.ppt

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