2 Dec
2005
2 Dec
'05
5:36 p.m.
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 05:28:34AM -0500, IvorW wrote:
That'd certainly be whizbang for server admins, anyway. :) Bob showed me
some benchmarking output which seems to indicate about 99% of runtime is
getting the pre-reqs up and running. But this is another thread in the
making, I think.
[0] http://london.pm.org/lpw/talks/2005/ivor_williams-packaging_apps.tar.gz
Cheers,
Earle.
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Earle Martin
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[Christopher Schmidt wrote:]
I'd like to second this after seeing Ivor's recent presentation about Perl
packaging systems at the London Perl Workshop[0]. A PAR file would not only
contain all the prerequisites, but Perl Itself. As I understand it, it's a
self-extracting zip archive that just runs like an executable. This might
work for users who only have shell access. (Although I'm not addressing the
issue of setting up the database. Thoughts anyone?)
Many users don't have the ability to install
systemwide perl modules,
and users like me who don't know perl don't know how to set up the
guide to point to a local directory. I think that a self-contained
package for OG including all the perl modules which the app needs,
and a preset use lib() pointing to a relative directory, would be the
most useful thing that OG could do to ease installation.
Maybe PAR is an option. I am successfully using PAR at work.
http://search.cpan.org/~autrijus/PAR > Right now, OpenGuides feels very much like a
UK-centric project. Dom
> is doing work to correct this, learning about projections and so on.
For which my thanks, and to Kake too for originally sorting out this
business with ellipsoids, the mathematics of which I admit is largely beyond
me at this point.
> a good goal would be to reach out to other global
users and try and
> find guide admins.
I'd also like to try and convince people with "non-OpenGuides Open Guides"
(that is to say, who are running a city guide on something like Mediawiki)
to Think Differently and Switch (erm...) but that's not going to be easy
without whizbang. :)
Talking of attracting people, people who have guides need to pimp^H^Htch to
potential users. For a long time I've been meaning to, but never got around
to, printing leaflets and stickers for the Open Guide to London. How else
can we publicize our guides? Snappy web buttons and banners?
> * New Data Format support - I'm thinking
something along the lines
> of providing JSON data interface as well as RDF, to possibly
> improve the integration with other web or non-web applications.
Data formats are good. Having seen your JSON export, we might as well do a
YAML export too since it's similar enough. Why YAML? I don't know really, just
in case someone has a cool app that uses it. (I admit that this is a
slippery slope!)
I don't
know what else is considered Whizbang, but I think those
could be neat to take advantage of some of the "OMG AJAX" movement
going on in the web world today.
I'd qite like to see OG running under mod-perl. 
2 Dec
2 Dec
9:10 p.m.
New subject: Marketing to OG Admins
On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Earle Martin wrote:
ive always had plans to create templates to create wml for phones. just
need to find the tuits. while thinking about this we should also do cut
down xhtml versions for those phones which only do that. since quite
frankly if you are on your phone theres only so much info you need :)
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> * New Data
Format support - I'm thinking something along the lines
> of providing JSON data interface as well as RDF, to possibly
> improve the integration with other web or non-web applications.
Data formats are good. Having seen your JSON export, we might as well do a
YAML export too since it's similar enough. Why YAML? I don't know really, just
in case someone has a cool app that uses it. (I admit that this is a
slippery slope!)
10:04 p.m.
New subject: Marketing to OG Admins
On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 09:10:24PM +0000, Bob Walker wrote:
ive always had plans to create templates to create wml
for phones. just
need to find the tuits. while thinking about this we should also do cut
down xhtml versions for those phones which only do that. since quite
frankly if you are on your phone theres only so much info you need :)
If we can add full content to the RDF output, then this should be easy to do
with XSLT.* Of course, though, then we get to add XML::XSLT to our list of
pre-requisites!
* Yes, I volunteer.
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Earle Martin
http://downlode.org/
http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/
4 Dec
4 Dec
7:06 p.m.
New subject: Marketing to OG Users (was: Marketing to OG Admins)
Earle Martin wrote:
Talking of attracting people, people who have guides
need to pimp^H^Htch to
potential users. For a long time I've been meaning to, but never got around
to, printing leaflets and stickers for the Open Guide to London. How else
can we publicize our guides? Snappy web buttons and banners?
Speaking as a guide admin who doesn't have to deal with installation and
hosting issues (ta Jimbo), here are the thoughts I've had about
encouraging people to get involved with the Open Guide to Manchester.
- There's a large user base on LiveJournal in the Manchester community
who know an awful lot about interesting quirky places in Manchester, the
kind of places I'd like to see in OGM. Getting these people involved in
OGM would be easier if OpenGuides had OpenID support, so we could tie
edits to OpenID identities. This would make problems with spam and abuse
easier to deal with from an admin perspective, but also be a Shiny
Feature (tm).
- Similarly, more images would be nice, which really needs a better
interface than people e-mailing their images to admin(a)openguides.org and
having me do ImageMagick-fu manually.
- For meatspace pimping, I was thinking of having business cards printed
up with some suitably abstract text like "This place is featured in the
Open Guide to Manchester" and the URL of the site. That way I can just
put them (with permission) in every pub etc. that's featured in the Guide.
- Closer integration to other community-contributed,
geographically-oriented sites like upcoming.org and openstreetmap.org -
if we could encourage the OSM guys to implement a good enough API that
OpenGuides could do the same with their data as we're doing with Google
Maps, that would be great. I'd love to get involved with OSM but I don't
own a GPS.
Dave
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