Bob has a patch in Trac for adding copyright notices and links to licences for node images: http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/179
You can see it in action here: http://london.randomness.org.uk/wiki.cgi?Angel,_SE16_4NB
I'm going to be adding this to svn in some form, but it's been pointed out on Flickr that the copyright symbol may not be the best one to use for Creative Commons licensed images: http://flickr.com/photos/skuds/91099796/#comment72157594585111841
What do people think?
Kake
This one time, at band camp, Kake L Pugh wrote:
I'm going to be adding this to svn in some form, but it's been pointed out on Flickr that the copyright symbol may not be the best one to use for Creative Commons licensed images:
CC's backwards copyright symbol notwithstanding, CC still gets its legal force through copyright. Images licensed under a CC licence are still copyrighted. The copyright symbol doesn't actually impart much though. All works are, by default, copyrighted unless explicitely released to the public domain.
I would have thought a link to the licence would be the way to go...
On Tue 13 Mar 2007, Rev Simon Rumble simon@rumble.net wrote:
The copyright symbol doesn't actually impart much though. All works are, by default, copyrighted unless explicitely released to the public domain.
Well, what it imparts in this case is "this is the person who owns the copyright". It's a shorthand for that, as I understand it.
I would have thought a link to the licence would be the way to go...
At the moment, the image itself links to a webpage describing the licence.
Maybe it should instead have something like "(c) Kake - licence", with "licence" linking to the webpage describing the licence?
Kake
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:57:51AM +0000, Kake L Pugh wrote:
Maybe it should instead have something like "(c) Kake - licence", with "licence" linking to the webpage describing the licence?
Or just the name being a link to the licence. I agree that one of these options would be better than the image being a link to the licence.
Dominic.
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:06:33AM +0000, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 10:57:51AM +0000, Kake L Pugh wrote:
Maybe it should instead have something like "(c) Kake - licence", with "licence" linking to the webpage describing the licence?
Or just the name being a link to the licence. I agree that one of these options would be better than the image being a link to the licence.
In fact, I think that the flickr terms and conditions on linking to their images means that the image MUST be a link to that photo on flickr.
I haven't missed a bit of this conversation have I?
David
On Tue 13 Mar 2007, David Sheldon dave@earth.li wrote:
In fact, I think that the flickr terms and conditions on linking to their images means that the image MUST be a link to that photo on flickr.
Well, this shouldn't be Flickr-specific. What I was thinking was having four fields: - URL of the (small) image that appears on the OpenGuides page. - URL of where that image's canonical home is (if it's a photo by me, this could be a bigger version of the photo, hosted in my webspace; if it's a photo from Flickr, it would need to be the photo's Flickr page). - Name of the person who owns the copyright. - Link to the licence the photo is distributed under.
In the Flickr case, fields 2 and 4 would contain the same thing - or should field 4 link directly to the Creative Commons site? What if the copyright owner decides to change the terms? Should we be linking to the licence the photo was under when we found it, or the licence it's under at the moment someone views the page?
I'm thinking that four fields is a lot, and so maybe we should do some auto-hidey javascript stuff so the photo fields only show up when someone clicks a button to say they want to add photo data (obviously if photo data already exists for a page it should always show up, I'm talking about when you view the edit form for a page doesn't already have any).
Kake
On Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 11:37:35AM +0000, Kake L Pugh wrote:
owner decides to change the terms? Should we be linking to the licence the photo was under when we found it, or the licence it's under at the moment someone views the page?
When we found it. Otherwise we could have the rug pulled from underneath our feet.
s
On 13/03/07, Kake L Pugh kake@earth.li wrote:
What I was thinking was having four fields:
- URL of the (small) image that appears on the OpenGuides page.
- URL of where that image's canonical home is (if it's a photo by me, this could be a bigger version of the photo, hosted in my webspace; if it's a photo from Flickr, it would need to be the photo's Flickr page).
- Name of the person who owns the copyright.
- Link to the licence the photo is distributed under.
In the Flickr case, fields 2 and 4 would contain the same thing - or should field 4 link directly to the Creative Commons site?
I'd say field 4 should link directly to the CC "human-readable" version of the license.
What if the copyright owner decides to change the terms? Should we be linking to the licence the photo was under when we found it, or the licence it's under at the moment someone views the page?
If they've used a CC license, it's too late: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F
"Creative Commons licenses are non-revocable. This means that you cannot stop someone, who has obtained your work under a Creative Commons license, from using the work according to that license."
So once they've offered a work under that license, you have the right to use it forever under the terms of that license. If the license field has been filled correctly, it will never need to be changed.
I'm thinking that four fields is a lot, and so maybe we should do some auto-hidey javascript stuff so the photo fields only show up when someone clicks a button to say they want to add photo data (obviously if photo data already exists for a page it should always show up, I'm talking about when you view the edit form for a page doesn't already have any).
Sounds reasonable. It would perhaps to be nice to have a menu of common license options or a field for "other", both selectable by single-option radio button.
On 13/03/07, Kake L Pugh kake@earth.li wrote:
What if the copyright owner decides to change the terms? Should we be linking to the licence the photo was under when we found it, or the licence it's under at the moment someone views the page?
On Tue 13 Mar 2007, Earle Martin openguides@downlode.org wrote:
If they've used a CC license, it's too late: http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#What_if_I_change_my_mind.3F
Cool, thanks. That simplifies that case. (And actually, this isn't really a dev issue, it's a guide admin issue, so I shall stop worrying about it with my coder hat on.)
Sounds reasonable. It would perhaps to be nice to have a menu of common license options or a field for "other", both selectable by single-option radio button.
This would be for field 4, the URL of the licence?
Where/how should we specify these common licence options?
Kake
On Tue 13 Mar 2007, Earle Martin openguides@downlode.org wrote:
Sounds reasonable. It would perhaps to be nice to have a menu of common license options or a field for "other", both selectable by single-option radio button.
On 13/03/07, Kake L Pugh kake@earth.li wrote:
This would be for field 4, the URL of the licence? Where/how should we specify these common licence options?
Yes, it would. I was thinking of a dropdown menu, something like:
( ) Attribution ( ) Attribution-NoDerivs ( ) Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivs ( ) Attribution-NonCommercial ( ) Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike (*) Attribution-ShareAlike ( ) Other Compatible Licence
This would be displayed under the "Node Image Copyright" field.
On 18/03/07, Earle Martin openguides@downlode.org wrote:
Yes, it would. I was thinking of a dropdown menu...
...er, ignore the ASCII art there, it was from an earlier revision of that mail from when I was thinking about radio buttons.
On 13/03/07, David Sheldon dave@earth.li wrote:
In fact, I think that the flickr terms and conditions on linking to their images means that the image MUST be a link to that photo on flickr.
According to their TOS, "pages on other websites which display images hosted on flickr.com must provide a link back to Flickr from each photo to its photo page on Flickr." Of course, if you save the thing locally instead, this ceases to be an issue (providing you comply with the license terms, of course).
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