On Wed, Jul 07, 2004 at 06:10:12PM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
The purpose of the flag day is to give people a chance to verify that the Guide does not contain non-original content whose licence would be violated by this change
I've been having a look at the legal pages for both Yell (which I've been using to obtain address and phone number information) and Streetmap (which I've been using to acquire OS co-ordinates for nodes), and I'm unsure as to whether this is permitted at all, even before we take the CC license into consideration.
Yell is full of thick legalese [1], but the relevant section is:
"4. Permitted uses
[...]
For the avoidance of doubt and without limitation, you are expressly prohibited from:
[...]
i. modifying the data or other material from Yell.com ("the Data") or merging the Data with any other data;
[...]
iii. using or redistributing the Data for the purposes of compiling databases, lists or directories, other than as and to the extent necessary to use the Data for a use not prohibited by this paragraph 4"
I'd say that OG definitely falls into the category of a directory, and by adding our content and other data we're definitely falling foul of 4.i. Do we have some kind of fair use exemption here?
Similarly with Streetmap [2]:
"A single print of the results of a map search is permitted for your own personal use. Otherwise the reproduction, copying, downloading, storage, recording, broadcasting, retransmission and distribution of any part of the Streetmap site is not permitted."
Do the OS co-ordinates count as part of the Streetmap site?
Dave
[1] http://www.yell.com/legal/home.html [2] http://www.streetmap.co.uk/disclaimer.htm
On Thu, Jul 08, 2004 at 11:31:29AM +0100, Dave Page wrote:
I've been having a look at the legal pages for both Yell (which I've been using to obtain address and phone number information) and Streetmap (which I've been using to acquire OS co-ordinates for nodes), and I'm unsure as to whether this is permitted at all, even before we take the CC license into consideration.
Yell is full of thick legalese [1], but the relevant section is:
I'd say that OG definitely falls into the category of a directory, and by adding our content and other data we're definitely falling foul of 4.i. Do we have some kind of fair use exemption here?
Doubt it. I have avoided taking data from Yell and similar, but rather preferring to take data from the business's own publications. That way it's not database right infringement.
Similarly with Streetmap [2]:
"A single print of the results of a map search is permitted for your own personal use. Otherwise the reproduction, copying, downloading, storage, recording, broadcasting, retransmission and distribution of any part of the Streetmap site is not permitted."
Do the OS co-ordinates count as part of the Streetmap site?
This is harder, because OS data is not commonly published by the businesses. I don't know what to suggest here except insisting that OS coords can only be put in by people with GPSes and so on, which would suck.
Dominic.
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
This is harder, because OS data is not commonly published by the businesses. I don't know what to suggest here except insisting that OS coords can only be put in by people with GPSes and so on, which would suck.
I think it would be just plain silly as well as sucky. I could just as easily be getting a grid reference from the OS 1:25,000 scale map in my desk or from my memory-map CD-ROM which I'm almost certain is fair use.
James
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On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 10:04:27AM +0100, James Davis wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
This is harder, because OS data is not commonly published by the businesses. I don't know what to suggest here except insisting that OS coords can only be put in by people with GPSes and so on, which would suck.
I think it would be just plain silly as well as sucky. I could just as easily be getting a grid reference from the OS 1:25,000 scale map in my desk or from my memory-map CD-ROM which I'm almost certain is fair use.
It depends. One of the really useful features of streetmap is that it is a postcode to location database, which is more than the OS maps themselves have.
Dominic.
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
It depends. One of the really useful features of streetmap is that it is a postcode to location database, which is more than the OS maps themselves have.
Does the guide use that? I've never found it to be useful for something like this since I can place a location I'm familiar with more acurately on a map than a postcode usually can.
James
-- "You're turning into a penguin. Stop it" http://jamesd.ukgeeks.co.uk/
On Fri, Jul 09, 2004 at 12:52:51PM +0100, James Davis wrote:
On Fri, 9 Jul 2004, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
It depends. One of the really useful features of streetmap is that it is a postcode to location database, which is more than the OS maps themselves have.
Does the guide use that? I've never found it to be useful for something like this since I can place a location I'm familiar with more acurately on a map than a postcode usually can.
Not programmatically, no, but it's an obvious way of getting the data if one doesn't have a real map handy.
Cheers,
Dominic.
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