On Wed, Dec 03, 2003 at 12:14:15PM +0000, Kate L Pugh wrote:

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I really think we can't afford to put this issue off any longer.

Well volunteered that man.

I was *this* ---> [ ] close to adding in the previous message "...and if I don't get any replies to this I am going to JFDI on London and let the other sites' administrators cope with it".

I'm only posting to say that I trust Earle's judgement on copyright and licensing issues, so will be happy to go with whatever solution he comes up with - but I don't care that much, so I'm also happy to stick with the status quo, if no action ever comes of this talk.

Unfortunately, the status quo just isn't good enough, for example because it means Wikitravel can't use material from us.

http://www.wikitravel.org/article/Wikitravel:Cooperating_with_OpenGuides

I am now looking to Attribution-ShareAlike license[0], much like Wikitravel. A side-effect of this is that we will not be able to include Wikipedia content[1], and so will need to replace/rewrite any that exists.

If there are no objections by the end of the day, I am going to begin the one month "grace period" (allowing material to be withdrawn due to objection to the licence) by tomorrow. One month after that (let's say on New Year's Day, for neatness) I will apply the license to cover all material on the Open Guide to London.

Implementation note: there are some places on the Guide where excerpted content occurs. Please, if you know of/discover any of these, ensure they comply with British law's[2] fair dealing statute[3][4] and mark them clearly.

[0] http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/ [1] See Wikitravel GFDL article linked from earlier post. [2] For the London Guide; modify as necessary if you decide to apply the same policy for a Guide in your country. [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_dealing#Fair_dealing_in_the_United_Kingdom [4] Although I have a sinking sensation that this may be obsolete given the recent application of the European Copyright Directive: http://www.opendemocracy.net/debates/article-8-40-510.jsp