This one time, at band camp, IvorW wrote: Why on account of the copyright notice? All I can see is (C) 2000-2005, which is a pretty standard assertion of ownership. You don't have to assert such ownership to have it. It does not imply any further rights or restrictions. I know we've been through this, but I would like to point out again that I think images hosted openly on a web site are fair game. As a matter of politeness we should ask the webmaster and trawl around for a statement on their site, but if they don't want the image appearing outside their own site they should use the technical mechanisms available for that. It's analogous to web sites suing for "deep linking", i.e. placing a link to anything but the home page. It's the way the web is designed and it's a feature. If you don't like that particular feature, you're bucking the trend but there are ways to stop it from happening. (Look at the referrer header.) -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net The Tourist Engineer Just because you're on holiday, doesn't mean you're not a geek. http://engineer.openguides.org/ "Security experts have been saying for years that the security of the Windows family of products is hopelessly inadequate. Now there is a rigorous government certification confirming this." - Dr Jonathan S. Shapiro, http://eros.cs.jhu.edu/~shap/NT-EAL4.html