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[OpenGuides-London] Fwd: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node
by Rev Simon Rumble 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

----- Forwarded message from Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> ----- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:54:50 +0100 From: Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node Reply-To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> This one time, at band camp, IvorW wrote: > I have sent the reply below to a contributor regarding copyright and images. I don't have a problem with the policy, if this is indeed the policy, but it needs to be explicitely stated. There are two views on the legality of linking remote images: 1) That there are technical means to stop people linking the image, so if that is the policy of the copyright holder, they can implement such means. 2) The unless there is explicit permission given for remote linking, it isn't allowed. Personally I go with option 1 with the proviso that if a request is made by an image owner to stop linking to the image, that the link is removed. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net Given the choice between two evils, I pick the one I haven't tried before. - Mae West -- OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net "Dans ce pays ci, c'est bon, de temps en temps, de tuer un amiral pour encourager les autres" - Voltaire

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[OpenGuides-London] Standing down - or, rather, back
by Kake L Pugh 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

Over the past few weeks I've realised that I've completely lost all enthusiasm for OpenGuides. This is a bad thing, and it needs fixing. Part of the problem is that I'm really not very well right now, and I could very much do with handing off some of my responsibilities. The thing that I'm finding hardest at the moment is being the release manager/kwalitee assurer/whatever for OpenGuides. There are several people with CVS commit rights, and that means that before I make a release I have to make sure of a whole pile of things, for example that people's changes work smoothly together, that nobody is going off in a completely bogus direction, that implementation decisions are made sensibly, that the code is no more complicated than is necessary to get the job done, that documentation is kept up to date, that new code is thoroughly tested, and that old tests still pass. And so on. I let 0.41 escape with a failing test, and this is yet another indicator that I'm getting tired. I need to pass on overall responsibility for OpenGuides to someone else, at least for a couple of months. However this leaves me with a problem - who? It seems to me that although there are several people connected with the project who are exceedingly enthusiastic about OpenGuides, and likewise several people who I feel could take this task over from me, these groups don't overlap at all. In other words, I don't think any of the people who are likely to want to take over from me are quite ready for it just yet, and I don't think any of the people who could handle the job are likely to both want it and have time to do it. (I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone over whether they're up to this task. Please trust my judgement. However if you think you could do it and you think I've overlooked you solely due to underestimating your enthusiasm for OpenGuides or free time to work on it, please drop me a private mail.) So it looks like we're probably going to have to start trying to recruit someone who's not currently hooked on OpenGuides - find somebody competent and *get* them hooked. Unless one of you clever people can come up with another solution. Comments and discussion welcomed and encouraged - the sooner we start sorting this out the better, both for me and for the project. Kake

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[OpenGuides-London] some observations from a newbie
by Alex Sweet 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

Hi, Just killing some time before the presidential debate. I love the idea of wiki and London Open Guide but never got round to using it before. I added a page on La Porchetta restaurant and found things fairly easy to pick up. Did the problem with titles such as "Locale x" and "Category x" ever get sorted? There are still a few duplicate pages such as "Locale Stoke Newington" and "Stoke Newington", and the same for Finsbury Park. Both have a stubby bit of content. This puts me off from developing either -- which one is the 'real' one? cheers -Alex

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RE: [OpenGuides-London] Re: Copyright stuff on linked images
by IvorW 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-london-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-london-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Simon > Sent: 12 October 2004 11:59 > To: Discussion of the Open Guide to London. > Subject: [OpenGuides-London] Re: Copyright stuff on linked images > > > Rev Simon Rumble writes: > > > Hmm, can you say "bury head in sand"? How about some > discussion folks? > > Or, even, just a decision by Earle whose arse is on the > line, after all. > > calm down, calm down, it's only a commercial... oh, anyway. > > A little more discussion from others would be appreciated. We > can have a > two-way debate, but I suggest reference to copyright law is > made before > ayone does anything. I don't have your previous email to hand, but > hyperlinks are indeed what the internet is for, but link to > the page, not to > the image. Using inline images without permission in my mind > is theft of > intellectual property as well as bandwidth; both have value. > > Anyone else? That was my original take on this, especially as the site hosting the Millennium Bridge/St Paul's picture has a copyright notice specifically asking us not to do this.

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[OpenGuides-London] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node
by Rev Simon Rumble 11 Oct '04

11 Oct '04

This ended up on the wrong list, as did my response. ----- Forwarded message from IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> ----- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 00:29:23 +0100 From: IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> To: openguides-dev(a)openguides.org Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node Reply-To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> I have sent the reply below to a contributor regarding copyright and images. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ivor Williams" <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> To: <jf2g-5smj(a)spamex.com> Sent: 06 October 2004 00:26 Subject: Re: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node > > > > Hi Ivor. > > > > I note you've removed the photo I linked in for this page (you'll need > > to remove it from Millenium Bridge too). However, I'm not clear on the > > basis of the change. I see you also modified the Wiki Etiquette to > > discuss this. > > > > Problem is, I see no reason that this image causes any problems. It is > > linked with an <img> tag rather than copied somewhere else. If the > > owner of the original image doesn't want it linked from elsewhere, there > > are simple technical measures that can be taken to prevent it. > > > > So can you explain your rationale here? > > The reason for this change is owing to the statements on the source website Urban75 > which should be self evident. > > see http://www.urban75.com/copy.html > > In my view, the guidelines for use of this image are not compatible with the Creative > Commons Licence that applies to the Open Guide to London. see: > > http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/1.0/ > > If you are connected with the Urban75 website and are giving permission for the > London OpenGuide to use the picture, this is fine. If this is the case, the picture can be > reinstated without a problem, and you should add some text to this effect. > > Hope this clarifies matters. I am forwarding a copy of this email to the London > Openguides mailing list (http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-london), > where you will be able to see and/or contribute to any further > discussion. > > Ivor. -- OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net "If you can keep your head when all around you have lost theirs, then you probably haven't understood the seriousness of the situation." - David Brent, "The Office"

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[OpenGuides-London] Node density map
by Earle Martin 10 Oct '04

10 Oct '04

Jo wrote some code (http://mappinghacks.com/openguides/) to do an SVG plot of where nodes with lat/long data are in relation to each other. I've modified it a bit to highlight stations to give an idea of scale, and here's the result: http://london.openguides.org/nodemap/nodes_with_stations.svg Stations are red, other nodes are blue. It's crude, but you can pick out several different Tube lines and see where the big clusters of nodes are. -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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Re: [OpenGuides-London] Error saving a page
by Kake L Pugh 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

On Mon 04 Oct 2004, IvorW <ivorw-openguides(a)xemaps.com> wrote: > DBD::Pg::db do failed: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique > constraint "content_pkey" at > /home/earle/downlode.org/perl/lib/CGI/Wiki/Store/Database.pm line > 435. at /home/earle/downlode.org/perl/lib/CGI/Wiki.pm line 692 What were you doing at the time? Which page were you editing? Which version of it? Did you do anything after seeing the error? Kake

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[OpenGuides-London] Error saving a page
by IvorW 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Sorry! Something went wrong. Please contact the Wiki administrator at openguides-london(a)openguides.org and quote the following error message: DBD::Pg::db do failed: ERROR: duplicate key violates unique constraint "content_pkey" at /home/earle/downlode.org/perl/lib/CGI/Wiki/Store/Database.pm line 435. at /home/earle/downlode.org/perl/lib/CGI/Wiki.pm line 692 Return to the Wiki home page

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[OpenGuides-London] FW: Lessig talk in London today (20041004)
by IvorW 04 Oct '04

04 Oct '04

Cross-posted from London.pm list Creative Commons is very relevant to OpenGuides. I can't go though. -----Original Message----- From: london.pm-admin(a)london.pm.org [mailto:london.pm-admin@london.pm.org]On Behalf Of Dean Sent: 04 October 2004 09:35 To: london.pm(a)london.pm.org Subject: Lessig talk in London today (20041004) Ripped out of Fridays NTK: LARRY "dear, *dear* Larry" LESSIG launches the UK versions of the famed Creative Commons licenses, and - who knows? - perhaps even some sort of practical applications for them, at University College London's Edward Lewis Theatre this coming Monday lunchtime (12noon-2pm Mon 2004-10-04, Windeyer Building, 46 Cleveland Street, London W1, entrance free, but please RSVP in advance to I.Brown(a)cs.ucl.ac.uk with "Creative Commons UK" as the subject line). We don't know how long the Professor is in the country, but we kind of suspect he might also enjoy getting his teeth into next weekend's FIPR COPYRIGHT IN EUROPE WORKSHOP ("starts Sat lunchtime and finishes Sun lunchtime", 2004-10-09/10, Computer Laboratory, University of Cambridge, 15 JJ Thomson Avenue, Cambridge CB3, looks free but email them to check), where the Foundation for Information Policy Research will be considering responses to "the EU legal framework in the field of copyright and related rights", possibly along the lines of why increased legal protection of "intellectual property" might actually be bad, not good, like some people seem to think. http://www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/I.Brown/ccuk-flyer.pdf - aka http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=529241&y=181831 I booked this morning and they still have plenty of room. Dean -- Dean Wilson http://www.unixdaemon.net Profanity is the one language all programmers understand --- Anon

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[OpenGuides-London] Font sizes on the London site
by Kake L Pugh 29 Sep '04

29 Sep '04

Anyone with a strong opinion on the recent font size change to the London guide is invited to express it here: http://www.livejournal.com/users/nou/45145.html Or here, of course. Go read that post for an explanation. Kake

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