OpenGuides-London October 2004

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[OpenGuides-London] New OpenGuides maintainer
by Kake L Pugh 26 Oct '04

26 Oct '04

Dominic Hargreaves has kindly offered to be the new release manager for OpenGuides. I will still be writing code, but from now on he is the CPAN maintainer and the Person With Big Stick. Thanks Dom. Kake

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Re: [OpenGuides-London] New OGL front page
by Earle Martin 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

On Fri, Oct 22, 2004 at 11:13:33AM -0400, IvorW wrote: > I prefer "Recently edited" to "Recent Changes" on the front page. Thanks! There's a reason for this (see below). > But, where have the comments and user IDs gone? I know we can see them if > we go to "Recent Changes", but it is handy to spot if a newbie or spammer > has made changes that need checking or removing. I did this in response to some recent comments that the front page was too overwhelming for new visitors. The "Recent Changes" box was useful for indicating that there's activity on the site, but was very visually noisy and duplicated the actual RC page's functionality exactly. The idea of what's there now is to be only a summary - I think consulting RC itself is better than consulting Home. The change of name to "recently edited" from "recent changes" is because the behavior of the box is different - only the names of the nodes changed recently are shown, with no duplicate entries. However, you'll see that my implementation is faulty, because the "recent changes" list feeding it only has ten items. Any duplicate entries will cause the list to shrink from ten items. The solution for this would be for it to read from the complete list of recent changes until it was full, but I don't know how easy that would be. -- Earle -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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RE: [OpenGuides-London] New OGL front page
by IvorW 22 Oct '04

22 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-london-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-london-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Earle > Martin > Sent: 21 October 2004 21:51 > To: openguides-london(a)openguides.org > Subject: [OpenGuides-London] New OGL front page > > > I have redesigned the front page of the Open Guide to London. Feedback > welcomed. Also, I'm considering applying the template to the > whole site for > consistency. Comments? I prefer "Recently edited" to "Recent Changes" on the front page. But, where have the comments and user IDs gone? I know we can see them if we go to "Recent Changes", but it is handy to spot if a newbie or spammer has made changes that need checking or removing. My £0.02 Ivor.

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[OpenGuides-London] New OGL front page
by Earle Martin 21 Oct '04

21 Oct '04

I have redesigned the front page of the Open Guide to London. Feedback welcomed. Also, I'm considering applying the template to the whole site for consistency. Comments? -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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RE: [OpenGuides-London] Fwd: Vermelding Wikimaas
by IvorW 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-london-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-london-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Earle > Martin > Sent: 20 October 2004 13:18 > To: openguides-london(a)openguides.org > Cc: openguides-dev(a)openguides.org > Subject: [OpenGuides-London] Fwd: Vermelding Wikimaas > > > Anybody speak Dutch?? > Nope, but here's what Babelfish gives: Recently you stand, or your organisation/company, described Useful on Article left on WikiMaas. These WikiMaas (http://www.wikimaas.tk) are an alternative guide for Maastricht, with in this all kinds of useful and leuke cases which are not discussed direct at the VVV. Every visitor can add information and modify. It vrijstaat you to add Useful further information to Article left, or stipulated texts to modify. However, we you want indicate that we with regard to schrijfstijl an informal preserve character to try, and that we are by definition no publicity site. A description is very well, but cried as 'superleuk' and 'de bests of Maastricht' to join we rather ourselves. If you something added, you which then alstublieft try in English. Maastricht lies in the Euregio. French, German and Dutch is here common practice. To give an every the same threshold, we want the site entirely in English writing. When you would want a link to the WikiMaas place on your Internet site we would appreciate this very. It is however by no means obliges and it has no consequences on your indication on the WikiMaas.

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[OpenGuides-London] Fwd: Vermelding Wikimaas
by Earle Martin 20 Oct '04

20 Oct '04

Anybody speak Dutch?? ----- Forwarded message from WikiBewerker <noreply(a)wikimaas.tk> ----- Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:49:18 "GMT" From: WikiBewerker <noreply(a)wikimaas.tk> To: Open guides London <earle(a)downlode.org> Subject: Vermelding Wikimaas Beste Open guides London, Sinds kort staat u, of uw organisatie/bedrijf, beschreven op het artikel Useful Links op WikiMaas. Deze WikiMaas (http://www.wikimaas.tk) is een alternatieve gids voor Maastricht, met daarin allerlei nuttige en leuke zaken die niet direct bij de VVV besproken worden. Iedere bezoeker kan informatie toevoegen en wijzigen. Het staat u vrij om meer informatie aan het artikel Useful Links toe te voegen, of bepaalde teksten te wijzigen. Wel zouden we er u op willen wijzen dat we qua schrijfstijl een informeel karakter proberen te behouden, en dat we per definitie geen reclame-site zijn. Een beschrijving is prima, maar kreten als 'superleuk' en 'de beste van Maastricht' voegen we liever zelf toe. Als u iets toevoegd, probeert u dat dan alstublieft in het Engels. Maastricht ligt in de Euregio. Frans, Duits en Nederlands zijn hier gemeengoed. Om een ieder dezelfde drempel te geven, willen we de site helemaal in het Engels schrijven. Wanneer u op uw website een link naar de WikiMaas zou willen plaatsen zouden we dit zeer waarderen. Het is echter geenszins verplicht en het heeft geen gevolgen voor uw vermelding op de WikiMaas. Met vriendelijke groet, Dani?l WikiMaas http://www.wikimaas.tk ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Earle Martin http://downlode.org/ http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/

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[OpenGuides-London] Fwd: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node
by Rev Simon Rumble 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

----- Forwarded message from Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> ----- Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:54:50 +0100 From: Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Fw: Images on St Paul's Cathedral London Openguides node Reply-To: OpenGuides software developers <openguides-dev(a)openguides.org> This one time, at band camp, IvorW wrote: > I have sent the reply below to a contributor regarding copyright and images. I don't have a problem with the policy, if this is indeed the policy, but it needs to be explicitely stated. There are two views on the legality of linking remote images: 1) That there are technical means to stop people linking the image, so if that is the policy of the copyright holder, they can implement such means. 2) The unless there is explicit permission given for remote linking, it isn't allowed. Personally I go with option 1 with the proviso that if a request is made by an image owner to stop linking to the image, that the link is removed. -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net Given the choice between two evils, I pick the one I haven't tried before. - Mae West -- OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Rev Simon Rumble <simon(a)rumble.net> www.rumble.net "Dans ce pays ci, c'est bon, de temps en temps, de tuer un amiral pour encourager les autres" - Voltaire

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[OpenGuides-London] Standing down - or, rather, back
by Kake L Pugh 19 Oct '04

19 Oct '04

Over the past few weeks I've realised that I've completely lost all enthusiasm for OpenGuides. This is a bad thing, and it needs fixing. Part of the problem is that I'm really not very well right now, and I could very much do with handing off some of my responsibilities. The thing that I'm finding hardest at the moment is being the release manager/kwalitee assurer/whatever for OpenGuides. There are several people with CVS commit rights, and that means that before I make a release I have to make sure of a whole pile of things, for example that people's changes work smoothly together, that nobody is going off in a completely bogus direction, that implementation decisions are made sensibly, that the code is no more complicated than is necessary to get the job done, that documentation is kept up to date, that new code is thoroughly tested, and that old tests still pass. And so on. I let 0.41 escape with a failing test, and this is yet another indicator that I'm getting tired. I need to pass on overall responsibility for OpenGuides to someone else, at least for a couple of months. However this leaves me with a problem - who? It seems to me that although there are several people connected with the project who are exceedingly enthusiastic about OpenGuides, and likewise several people who I feel could take this task over from me, these groups don't overlap at all. In other words, I don't think any of the people who are likely to want to take over from me are quite ready for it just yet, and I don't think any of the people who could handle the job are likely to both want it and have time to do it. (I'm not going to get into an argument with anyone over whether they're up to this task. Please trust my judgement. However if you think you could do it and you think I've overlooked you solely due to underestimating your enthusiasm for OpenGuides or free time to work on it, please drop me a private mail.) So it looks like we're probably going to have to start trying to recruit someone who's not currently hooked on OpenGuides - find somebody competent and *get* them hooked. Unless one of you clever people can come up with another solution. Comments and discussion welcomed and encouraged - the sooner we start sorting this out the better, both for me and for the project. Kake

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[OpenGuides-London] some observations from a newbie
by Alex Sweet 14 Oct '04

14 Oct '04

Hi, Just killing some time before the presidential debate. I love the idea of wiki and London Open Guide but never got round to using it before. I added a page on La Porchetta restaurant and found things fairly easy to pick up. Did the problem with titles such as "Locale x" and "Category x" ever get sorted? There are still a few duplicate pages such as "Locale Stoke Newington" and "Stoke Newington", and the same for Finsbury Park. Both have a stubby bit of content. This puts me off from developing either -- which one is the 'real' one? cheers -Alex

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RE: [OpenGuides-London] Re: Copyright stuff on linked images
by IvorW 12 Oct '04

12 Oct '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: openguides-london-bounces(a)openguides.org > [mailto:openguides-london-bounces@openguides.org]On Behalf Of Simon > Sent: 12 October 2004 11:59 > To: Discussion of the Open Guide to London. > Subject: [OpenGuides-London] Re: Copyright stuff on linked images > > > Rev Simon Rumble writes: > > > Hmm, can you say "bury head in sand"? How about some > discussion folks? > > Or, even, just a decision by Earle whose arse is on the > line, after all. > > calm down, calm down, it's only a commercial... oh, anyway. > > A little more discussion from others would be appreciated. We > can have a > two-way debate, but I suggest reference to copyright law is > made before > ayone does anything. I don't have your previous email to hand, but > hyperlinks are indeed what the internet is for, but link to > the page, not to > the image. Using inline images without permission in my mind > is theft of > intellectual property as well as bandwidth; both have value. > > Anyone else? That was my original take on this, especially as the site hosting the Millennium Bridge/St Paul's picture has a copyright notice specifically asking us not to do this.

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