OpenGuides-Dev June 2006

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[OpenGuides-Dev] OG performance
by Paul Makepeace 20 Jun '07

20 Jun '07

Hi, I don't follow OG development but as host operator a few things are coming up. The machine's load is gradually climbing over time and some of that is OG. Despite a relatively low hit rate on OG it is consuming quite a bit of resource. If OG started taking off it would take the machine down. First up: index.cgi requires 0.35s to perform a `perl -c` syntax check. Any thoughts on putting OG on a mod_perl server? I have mod_perl running here of course and we'd need to coordinate some apache.conf stuff. Second: the supersearch.cgi gulps down CPU, often for seconds at a time. It is a frequent resident of `top` output. This isn't really acceptable. I'm going to request this feature be turned off unless an effective optimisation plan or some other way to reduce its impact here is constructed pretty soon. Sorry about this but it's encroaching on others. Third: I wonder if there's some way to instruct robots not to spider parts of your wiki. This ought to speak for itself: $ grep crawl /var/log/apache/london.openguides.org-access.log | grep 'action=edit' | wc -l 8242 $ Finally: I posted about a DoS and was wondering what the status of a solution was. http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2004-October/000542.html Cheers, Paul (any overbearing tone unintentional ;-) -- Paul Makepeace .............................. http://paulm.com/inchoate/ "If my elbow was straight, then I'll show oyu mine!" -- http://paulm.com/toys/surrealism/

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Keyword Meta Tags, ICBM/GeoURL, etc (was Re: Re: [OGL] Google searches)
by Tom Heath 30 Jun '06

30 Jun '06

Hi folks, quick update on some little tweaks others may be interested in, Following on from this earlier thread, I've just made some changes to our header.tt to populate the keywords meta tag with the categories and locales associated with a node. This was crschmidt's suggestion and seemed like a good one to me. You can see the results if you view source in pages such as: http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?Bombay_Cuisine%2C_Stony_Stratford The changes were trivial, but should make a difference to search engine placement. I just substituted the unused fragment that references [% keywords %] for this: [% IF (categories.size AND categories.size > 0) OR (locales.size AND locales.size > 0) %] <meta name="keywords" content="[% IF categories.size AND categories.size > 0 %][% FOREACH category = categories %][% category.name %][%- ", " %][% END %][% END %][% IF locales.size AND locales.size > 0 %][% FOREACH locale = locales %][% locale.name %][%- ", " UNLESS loop.last %][% END %][% END %], milton, keynes, open, guide" /> [% END %] ...although the code between <meta... and ...guide" /> should all be on one line (this was the only way I knew to make it all on one line in the HTML rendered for each node). I'll be monitoring traffic from search engines to see if this makes any appreciable difference. If anyone is interested in/able to add this to the main code base that would be great (ditto the DC.title mod below). On a related note, http://geourl.org/ (mentioned briefly on this list in 2003) seems to be a pretty cool way to reuse/syndicate data from the OpenGuides, so I added a few pages manually from the OGMK. Have a look at [1] if you're curious how it looks. If anyone else is interested in doing the same then OpenGuides is pretty much enabled for geourl out of the box, although it is worth changing the DC.title line in your header.tt to <meta name="DC.title" content="[% node_name %]" /> The only other gotcha to watch out for is not asking geourl to crawl nodes on your OG by providing a URL with URL-encoded characters. For some reason I don't really understand these get mangled along the way. Check out The Plough Inn entry at [1] for an example. One thing I'd like to do at some point is write a script to add new/updated entries from our guide to GeoURL once a week or so, so we don't have to add them manually. It seems Plazes must do something similar. Is this something worth running off everywhere.openguides.org? (aaahh, which shows how much spam we're getting :( OK, this email is long enough already, Cheers, Tom. [1] http://geourl.org/near/?p=http%3A%2F%2Fkmi.open.ac.uk%2Fpeople%2Ftom%2F&dis… On 07/04/06, Earle Martin <openguides(a)downlode.org> wrote: > On Fri, Apr 07, 2006 at 11:54:17AM +0100, Tom Heath wrote: > > My firm belief is that we should really optimise the OGs to use these > > metatags. Until blogging largely killed it, PageRank had made <title> > > and <meta.. content pretty irrelevant in determining search engine > > rankings. However, in the last few years we've gone back to almost > > Altavista-style reliance on these factors, combined with a less potent > > dose of pagerank. > > God, it's like being back in 1997! You can't imagine how surprised I was, > actually, when I discovered that my <title> trick had really worked - I've > obviously been completely out of touch with the latest trends in searching. > > > Talking about this to Chris Schmidt he suggested (though without being > > convinced ;) using the "summary" field to populate the description > > meta tag. I've just implemented this on the OGMK, so we'll wait and > > see what happens. Two other suggestions for Guide admins/developers: > > I think that's a great idea and have just implemented it in the > distribution. http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/97 > > > - Kill the "Home" in the <title> tag on Guide home pages and just > > leave the site_name there. Position of words in <title> tags really > > matters, and "Home" just doesn't cut it. > > No kidding? Well, I'll strip it out of the template if nobody objects. > > > - How about a "tags" field in the edit page, for some > > folksonomic-style tagging of pages? This would serve to populate the > > keywords meta tag, and hopefully be useful in other ways, though I > > imagine it would entail some fairly detailed hacking of the OG > > codebase. > > I'm going to reply to this when replying to Chris's comments. > > > -- > Earle Martin > http://downlode.org/ > http://purl.org/net/earlemartin/ > > -- > OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org > http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev >

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Re: [OGDev] WikiSym2006 update...
by M.B.Gaved 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Hi Dom (et al.) > I trust we'll be pointed at a copy of the full paper when it's been published? :) Indeed! And in the meantime I'll happily send a copy to anybody interested on the OG-dev list(your copy in the post Dom), email me off-list at m.b.gaved(a)open.ac.uk and I'll post you the pdf. Comments and further feedback welcomed. We're putting together the presentation for the conference and we'll make this available as well. All the best and thanks again for all your help. Mark (and Tom) Mark Gaved Knowledge Media Institute The Open University Milton Keynes MK7 6AA kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark/ office +44 1908 654513 mobile +44 7796 266 592 m.b.gaved(a)open.ac.uk -----Original Message----- From: openguides-dev-bounces(a)openguides.org [mailto:openguides-dev-bounces@openguides.org] On Behalf Of Dominic Hargreaves Sent: 28 June 2006 18:16 To: OpenGuides software developers' list Subject: Re: [OGDev] WikiSym2006 update... On Tue, Jun 13, 2006 at 09:55:26AM +0100, M.B.Gaved wrote: > a while back me and Tom Heath (Milton Keynes Open Guides admins) emailed you to ask for some help with a quick survey, to help put together a paper for WikiSym 2006 > http://wikisym.org/ws2006/ > > Well - the good news - our paper has been accepted! > program here: http://ws2006.wikisym.org/space/Symposium+Program > > So big thanks to everybody who helped us. The reviewers' comments were all pretty positive, they've asked us to provide a little more data and detail (e.g. we mentioned spam but didn't provide any figures) and we're currently responding to these comments and working on the camera-ready version. But the reviewers certainly seem interested! Cool, congrats. I trust we'll be pointed at a copy of the full paper when it's been published? :) Cheers, Dominic.

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WikiSym2006 update...
by M.B.Gaved 28 Jun '06

28 Jun '06

Dear fellow OG admins, developers, interested parties... a while back me and Tom Heath (Milton Keynes Open Guides admins) emailed you to ask for some help with a quick survey, to help put together a paper for WikiSym 2006 http://wikisym.org/ws2006/ Well - the good news - our paper has been accepted! program here: http://ws2006.wikisym.org/space/Symposium+Program So big thanks to everybody who helped us. The reviewers' comments were all pretty positive, they've asked us to provide a little more data and detail (e.g. we mentioned spam but didn't provide any figures) and we're currently responding to these comments and working on the camera-ready version. But the reviewers certainly seem interested! all the best Mark and Tom p.s. here's the abstract of the paper: Title: Wikis of Locality - Insights from the Open Guides "In this paper we describe an emerging form of wikis - wikis of locality that support physical rather than virtual communities. We draw on our experience as administrators of the Open Guide to Milton Keynes, one of the Open Guides family of community developed local information guides built using wiki software, and present observations of the potential value and unique characteristics of wikis of locality from a practitioners perspective. Preliminary findings from a current survey of other Open Guide administrators are presented to highlight types of usage, issues and potential areas for future research." Mark Gaved Knowledge Media Institute The Open University Walton Hall Milton Keynes, UK MK7 6AA http://kmi.open.ac.uk/people/mark > > Dear fellow OG admins, developers, interested parties. > > Mark Gaved and Tom Heath here, we look after the Milton Keynes Open > > Guide (kindly hosted and sysadmin'd by Christoper Schmidt) > we're also PhD students at the Open University. > > We're thinking of putting in a paper to WikiSym 2006 > > (http://www.wikisym.org/ws2006/) describing the Open Guides: > > discussing what people are doing, what we all hope to achieve, how > > Open Guides differ from other wikis or community information > > resources. > > The Open Guides appeal to us as wikis that serve physically co-located > > communities. This intersects with our PhD research > interests, and we'd like to promote Open Guides at the WikiSym conference. > > We're posting to ask for your help putting this paper > together: would you mind answering some questions about the Open Guide > you're involved in (as an admin, a content 'editor', general helper etc)? > > We'd like to gather together people's thoughts and ideas and write > > them up with some general information about the Open Guides as the > > paper; we hope that by doing this we can increase awareness of the > > Open Guides amongst a worldwide academic audience. > > We hope this sounds like both a worthwhile and interesting thing to > > take part in. > > If you're interested please could you have a go at answering the > > questions below and mail your answers back to us.... also > feel free to get in contact if you've got any other thoughts or comments. > > Cheers! look forward to hearing from you...

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Adding microformats to the default templates
by Nick Burch 15 Jun '06

15 Jun '06

Hi All As part of my attempts to help people get as much metadata out of OpenGuides as they can, I've been going through the default templates (well, mostly node.tt and display_metadata.tt) adding Microformats. For those of you who don't know about them, Microformats are simply a standard way of marking up parts of your page such that they have (enhanced) semantic meaning. You add a few extra bits of markup to your page, and suddenly all sorts of code out there can then get at the data. The microformats I've used are: http://microformats.org/wiki/hReview http://microformats.org/wiki/hCard http://microformats.org/wiki/geo You can grab the templates from svn, or see them in action on the cotswolds openguide (http://cotswolds.openguides.org/). Do shout if you have any thoughts/suggestions/enhancements around this. Nick

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OpenGuides 0.55 released
by Dominic Hargreaves 14 Jun '06

14 Jun '06

Finally, as promised, here is OpenGuides 0.55. It's tested and works beautifully. You can get it from CPAN, or Debian packages in the usual place[0] 493207910567eafa4cc69604470d0e92 OpenGuides-0.55.tar.gz Again, a reminder: back up your databases before upgrading. Also, you should ensure that the database users specified in your wiki.conf can ALTER, INDEX, CREATE and DROP, as this is required as part of the upgrade process. Cheers, Dominic. [0] http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/debian/openguides/ -- Dominic Hargreaves | http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/ PGP key 5178E2A5 from the.earth.li (keyserver,web,email)

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Re: [OGDev] Cross-posted from the Template Toolkit mailing list
by Dominic Hargreaves 12 Jun '06

12 Jun '06

On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 10:26:05AM -0400, IvorW wrote: > This is relevant to us. May have implications for Debian packaging. There seems to be missing context here. What exactly is relevant for us? Cheers, Dominic. -- Dominic Hargreaves | http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/ PGP key 5178E2A5 from the.earth.li (keyserver,web,email)

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Development release of OpenGuides
by Dominic Hargreaves 08 Jun '06

08 Jun '06

The second and hopefully final (for the time being) development release of OpenGuides using Wiki::Toolkit is available. The changes should since the last development release are fairly minimal, but we still need to test the upgrade path to Wiki::Toolkit based databases: http://dev.openguides.org/ticket/124 The distribution is winging its way to CPAN and is available from: http://www.larted.org.uk/~dom/computing/code/openguides/OpenGuides-0.54_02.… b6fda93ddfae6c9f78254217ab2c4ec3 OpenGuides-0.54_02.tar.gz If no major problems are found with this in the next day or two I will release it as 0.55. Dominic. -- OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)openguides.org http://openguides.org/mm/listinfo/openguides-dev

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Cross-posted from the Template Toolkit mailing list
by IvorW 02 Jun '06

02 Jun '06

This is relevant to us. May have implications for Debian packaging. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Trevena [mailto:aaron.trevena@gmail.com] Sent: 02 June 2006 15:01 To: templates(a)template-toolkit.org Subject: Re: [Templates] Re: TT version 2.15 released On 26/05/06, Andy Wardley <abw(a)wardley.org> wrote: > Robert Hicks wrote: > > I just started following the TT list. Why were these broken out? I can > > think of a couple of reasons myself but wanted to hear it from the > > "horses mouth". And no, I am not implying anything by that! :-) > > A number of reasons. To reduce bloat in the core, to make TT easier to > install, and to limit the overall dependencies on other modules that can > and do change over time. [snip] > Those people who just want to process some templates and have no > interest in GD (or XML, DBI or Latex) shouldn't really have to worry > about all that. [ snip ] > So in summary I think it's a good move all round. Make TT slimmer. Thanks Andy. This is good news for any framework (Maypole, Catalyst, etc) using TT as a major component of the framwork, as GD and other unreleated dependancies have historically caused end-user installation problems when all they want to do is build a website without any graphics or xml munging. It's also good news as it should now be even quicker and easier to get TT installed in places that resistent to dragging in large chunks of cpan, and finally should make life easier for perl packagers in linux and bsd distro's. (Three) Cheers, A. _______________________________________________ templates mailing list templates(a)template-toolkit.org http://lists.template-toolkit.org/mailman/listinfo/templates

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