27 Mar
2012
27 Mar
'12
5:58 p.m.
I've just run a script to import some OxPoints data into the Oxford
Guide (thanks go to Janet for providing the data in handy CSV form).
This covers all the colleges in OxPoints, which I believe is all the
colleges which form part of the university.
In some cases, the data import simply added a few bits of missing
data, e.g. geodata, summary, Wikipedia link, etc. In others, we
didn't yet have a page for that college, so it created a stub one.
I copied the existing practice of adding the following categories to
each: Colleges, Education, The University. I also added locales in
the cases where the name of the road the college is on was already
defined as a locale in the guide. I didn't add locales such as
"Central" because I'm not sure what counts as central.
Here is an example of an update:
http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?id=Lady%20Margaret%20Hall;version=1;diff…
and here is an example of a new stub page:
http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Exeter_College
Let me know if anything weird seems to have happened as a result of this.
Kake
27 Mar
27 Mar
8:04 p.m.
On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 05:58:39PM +0100, Kake wrote:
I've just run a script to import some OxPoints
data into the Oxford
Guide (thanks go to Janet for providing the data in handy CSV form).
This covers all the colleges in OxPoints, which I believe is all the
colleges which form part of the university.
In some cases, the data import simply added a few bits of missing
data, e.g. geodata, summary, Wikipedia link, etc. In others, we
didn't yet have a page for that college, so it created a stub one.
This sounds very cool. Could you put the script somewhere for possible
reuse/adaptation? Maybe in
<https://urchin.earth.li/svn/openguides/utils/>.
Cheers,
Dominic.
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8:15 p.m.
On Tue 27 Mar 2012, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
This sounds very cool. Could you put the script
somewhere for possible
reuse/adaptation? Maybe in
<https://urchin.earth.li/svn/openguides/utils/>.
I've put it in my home directory on urchin (ogo-colleges.pl) - please
feel free to do whatever you want with it.
Kake
28 Mar
28 Mar
9:14 a.m.
On Tue 27 Mar 2012, Kake <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
I've just run a script to import some OxPoints
data into the Oxford
Guide (thanks go to Janet for providing the data in handy CSV form).
This covers all the colleges in OxPoints, which I believe is all the
colleges which form part of the university.
The question of what forms "part of the university" is an interesting
one (and one that gets argued about quite a lot!)...
"""Thirty-eight Colleges, though independent and self-governing, form
a core element of the University, to which they are related in a
federal system, not unlike the United States.
Each college is granted a charter approved by the Privy Council, under
which it is governed by a Head of House and a Governing Body comprising
of a number of Fellows, most of whom also hold University posts.
There are also six Permanent Private Halls, which were founded by
different Christian denominations, and still retain their religious
character today.
Thirty colleges and all six halls admit students for both undergraduate
and graduate degrees. Six other colleges are for graduates only. In
addition, All Souls College has Fellows only and Kellogg College
supports the lifelong learning work of the University for adult,
part-time, and professional development students."""
(From
http://www.ox.ac.uk/about_the_university/introducing_oxford/the_structure_o…)
Not that that answers the question really. Do you want to include PPHs,
though? (I can get their info too if necessary.)
In some cases, the data import simply added a few bits
of missing
data, e.g. geodata, summary, Wikipedia link, etc.
I wonder if we could get the photos from Wikipedia as well? Or would
that be silly?
I copied the existing practice of adding the following
categories to
each: Colleges, Education, The University. I also added locales in
the cases where the name of the road the college is on was already
defined as a locale in the guide. I didn't add locales such as
"Central" because I'm not sure what counts as central.
No, the more I look at "Central" the more I'm not really sure how
useful it is. :-} Is it worth trying to come up with a definition of
it? Or would we be better ditching it altogether?
Jx
4 Apr
4 Apr
2:27 p.m.
On Wed 28 Mar 2012, Janet McKnight <janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Not that that answers the question really. Do you want
to include PPHs,
though? (I can get their info too if necessary.)
Up to you :) I have no strong opinion on the subject.
I wonder if we could get the photos from Wikipedia as
well? Or would
that be silly?
I think I would prefer to have separate photos. We're not really
adding anything to the data available on the internet by simply using
the same photos as Wikipedia. I like the idea of multiple independent
datasets.
No, the more I look at "Central" the more
I'm not really sure how
useful it is. :-} Is it worth trying to come up with a definition of
it? Or would we be better ditching it altogether?
See other thread - if we can define the streets that lie within
"Central", I think that would solve most of the problem.
Kake
3:30 p.m.
On Wed 04 Apr 2012, Kake <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
On Wed 28 Mar 2012, Janet McKnight
<janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
I'd say it depends if they're open to the (paying?) public. I would
guess that they're not, & therefore are not really in scope.
Not that that answers the question really. Do you
want to include PPHs,
though? (I can get their info too if necessary.)
Up to you :) I have no strong opinion on the subject. I think I would prefer to have separate photos.
We're not really
adding anything to the data available on the internet by simply using
the same photos as Wikipedia. I like the idea of multiple independent
datasets.
OK, makes sense.
See other thread - if we can define the streets that
lie within
"Central", I think that would solve most of the problem.
OK, off the top of my head, opening bid for 'Central':
High Street
Cornmarket
Broad Street
Turl Street
George Street
Gloucester Green
St Giles
New Inn Hall Street
Queen Street
St Aldates
St Michael's Street
Castle Street
New Road
Holywell Street
Blue Boar Street
Ship Street
Covered Market / Golden Cross
Magdalen Street (& East)
Westgate Centre
Clarendon Centre
Pembroke Street
Any objections to any of those? This could be like a balloon
debate but with streets! :)
I've probably missed some of the little ones that probably
don't have much on them. I don't think the station is
'central' (it is possibly a locale of its own, though that
may be covered by a search like 'things within 1 mile of
the station').
Jx
5 Apr
5 Apr
10:06 a.m.
On Wed 04 Apr 2012, Janet McKnight <janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
OK, off the top of my head, opening bid for
'Central': [...]
All looks reasonable to me!
I don't think the station is 'central' (it
is possibly a locale of
its own, though that may be covered by a search like 'things within
1 mile of the station').
I think the station could be a locale of its own. "Things within 1
mile of the station" doesn't necessarily coincide with "things you can
get to from the station by walking a mile", due to the railway line
(in fact I was pondering this after seeing the announcement for the
next Oxford Geek Night - wondering how long it would take to get back
to the station from there).
Kake
10:23 a.m.
On Thu 05 Apr 2012, Kake <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
Good point! OK, a locale something like 'near station' then? (I don't
want to use 'station' because I'd expect that to mean the shops which
are actually in the station...) Of course anything in 'station' would
also be in 'near station' (threads merge: 1 mile (from station)). :-)
On Wed 04 Apr 2012, Janet McKnight
<janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Goodgood. :)
OK, off the top of my head, opening bid for
'Central': [...]
All looks reasonable to me! I don't
think the station is 'central' (it is possibly a locale of
its own, though that may be covered by a search like 'things within
1 mile of the station').
I think the station could be a locale of its own. "Things within 1
mile of the station" doesn't necessarily coincide with "things you can
get to from the station by walking a mile", due to the railway line (in fact I was pondering this after seeing the
announcement for the
next Oxford Geek Night - wondering how long it would take to get back
to the station from there).
I'd allow at least 20 minutes, probably a bit more if the consequences
of missing the train were awful (eg last train); but I don't walk very
fast & I am a bit cautious about train times. It's probably do-able in
15 minutes if you walk briskly. There isn't a useful shortcut AFAIK...
I mean, you can walk down the canal path, but it's probably no quicker
& I don't think it would be much fun at night (not because of Scary
People, just because of Dark Potholey Paths & Wet Overhanging Foliage).
Hope other people will provide estimated times too (& then you can take
an average or something).
Jx
8 Apr
8 Apr
3:16 p.m.
On Thu 05 Apr 2012, Janet McKnight <janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Good point! OK, a locale something like 'near
station' then? (I don't
want to use 'station' because I'd expect that to mean the shops which
are actually in the station...) Of course anything in 'station' would
also be in 'near station' (threads merge: 1 mile (from station)). :-)
The Cambridge Guide has "Station Area", which seems fairly clear - I
have no strong opinion though.
[Oxford Geek Night to the station]
I'd allow at least 20 minutes, probably a bit more
if the consequences
of missing the train were awful (eg last train); but I don't walk very
fast & I am a bit cautious about train times. It's probably do-able in
15 minutes if you walk briskly.
Thanks! I don't think I'll make the next one, but perhaps for the one
after that we could go along and talk about the Oxford Guide? (I
don't want to do the talking part but I can answer questions afterwards.)
Kake
4:50 p.m.
On Sun 08 Apr 2012, Kake <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
The Cambridge Guide has "Station Area",
which seems fairly clear - I
have no strong opinion though.
That works for me. Will add it. :)
[Oxford Geek Night]
Thanks! I don't think I'll make the next one,
but perhaps for the one
after that we could go along and talk about the Oxford Guide? (I
don't want to do the talking part but I can answer questions afterwards.)
I'm happy to do the talking if you're happy to do the thinking. :-} This
is contingent on evenings getting a bit easier from a baby point of view,
though (at the moment I don't think I'd be able to stay as late as the
microslots).
Jx
6:17 p.m.
On Wed 28 Mar 2012, Janet McKnight <janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Not that that answers the question really. Do you want
to include PPHs,
though? (I can get their info too if necessary.)
Just discovered this:
http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Permanent_Private_Hall
I am amused by the writeup on http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Wycliffe_Hall
Wycliffe is the University's vicar factory... uhm, I mean Church of
England seminary. It's run by Richard Turnbull, who's a God Bloke,
and is full of mature students with distinctive haircuts who say
everything in three points beginning with the letter "R". The vicar
at Ebbes went there, and has the haircut to prove it.
(I managed to guess the author before I even looked at the revision history.)
Kake
10 Apr
10 Apr
10:18 a.m.
On Sun 08 Apr 2012, Kake <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
On Wed 28 Mar 2012, Janet McKnight
<janetmck(a)chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
Ah, threads merge. :)
Not that that answers the question really. Do you
want to include PPHs,
though? (I can get their info too if necessary.)
Just discovered this:
http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Permanent_Private_Hall I am amused by the writeup on
http://oxford.openguides.org/wiki/?Wycliffe_Hall
Wycliffe is the University's vicar factory... uhm, I mean Church of
England seminary. It's run by Richard Turnbull, who's a God Bloke,
and is full of mature students with distinctive haircuts who say
everything in three points beginning with the letter "R". The vicar
at Ebbes went there, and has the haircut to prove it.
(I managed to guess the author before I even looked at the revision history.)
Hahaha yes indeed! :-D It seems a shame to delete it, but if we're trying to
be a bit more factual and/or less libellous, it should probably go...
Also, hm, if some PPHs already have entries, maybe they all should. But then
why not all University departments etc... and that way madness lies (trust me).
So hard to decide where a model of a bit of the world begins and ends!
Jx
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