From kake@earth.li Mon Jun 18 15:08:33 2007
From: Kake L Pugh <kake@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 15:08:22 +0100
Message-ID: <20070618140822.GC8114@the.earth.li>
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Hello.  At the moment, when you ask for an atom feed of the entire
site, it looks something like this:

  <entry>
    <title>Adam And Eve, SW1H 9EX</title>
[...]
    <summary>Add Category Real Ale to GBG pubs. [AutoKake]</summary>
    <updated>2007-05-04T17:46:28+01:00</updated>
    <author><name>AutoKake</name></author>
[...]
  </entry>

Since we now have a proper summary field, should we putting its value in
here instead of the latest change comment?

Kake


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From tom.heath@gmail.com Mon Jun 18 16:44:08 2007
From: Tom Heath <tom.heath@gmail.com>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:44:04 +0100
Message-ID: <fce623cd0706180844k7f070aact3ada8b2e1f134c39@mail.gmail.com>
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Sounds sensible to me!

Tom.

On 18/06/07, Kake L Pugh <kake(a)earth.li> wrote:
> Hello.  At the moment, when you ask for an atom feed of the entire
> site, it looks something like this:
>
>   <entry>
>     <title>Adam And Eve, SW1H 9EX</title>
> [...]
>     <summary>Add Category Real Ale to GBG pubs. [AutoKake]</summary>
>     <updated>2007-05-04T17:46:28+01:00</updated>
>     <author><name>AutoKake</name></author>
> [...]
>   </entry>
>
> Since we now have a proper summary field, should we putting its value in
> here instead of the latest change comment?
>
> Kake
>
> --
> OpenGuides-Dev mailing list - OpenGuides-Dev(a)lists.openguides.org
> http://lists.openguides.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openguides-dev
>


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From crschmidt@crschmidt.net Mon Jun 18 16:51:15 2007
From: Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt@crschmidt.net>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:51:11 -0400
Message-ID: <20070618155111.GA3597@crschmidt.net>
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 03:08:22PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> Hello.  At the moment, when you ask for an atom feed of the entire
> site, it looks something like this:
> 
>   <entry>
>     <title>Adam And Eve, SW1H 9EX</title>
> [...]
>     <summary>Add Category Real Ale to GBG pubs. [AutoKake]</summary>
>     <updated>2007-05-04T17:46:28+01:00</updated>
>     <author><name>AutoKake</name></author>
> [...]
>   </entry>
> 
> Since we now have a proper summary field, should we putting its value in
> here instead of the latest change comment?

I think there is continuing confusion about what the RSS feeds are feeds
of -- the content, or the changes?

If they are feeds of changes, then the summary is not correct -- that's
a summary of the node, not of the change.

Boston has always treated them as feeds of nodes, ordered by most recent
update. Hence our (my) full-node-text output by default.

So, I'm in favor, but it does mean changing the meaning of these RSS
feeds, in my eyes, and I think that should be a consideration in the
decision.

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
Web Developer


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From kake@earth.li Mon Jun 18 16:59:38 2007
From: Kake L Pugh <kake@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:59:38 +0100
Message-ID: <20070618155938.GC24203@the.earth.li>
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On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrote:
> I think there is continuing confusion about what the RSS feeds are feeds
> of -- the content, or the changes?

Isn't the Recent Changes RSS feed a feed of changes, while the
site/category/locale feeds are feeds of the content?

Kake


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From crschmidt@crschmidt.net Mon Jun 18 17:04:02 2007
From: Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt@crschmidt.net>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:03:54 -0400
Message-ID: <20070618160354.GB3597@crschmidt.net>
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 04:59:38PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrote:
> > I think there is continuing confusion about what the RSS feeds are feeds
> > of -- the content, or the changes?
> 
> Isn't the Recent Changes RSS feed a feed of changes, while the
> site/category/locale feeds are feeds of the content?

That sounds fine to me, though I'll admit it's not how I use them. Where
is the 'site' feed located?

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
Web Developer


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From kake@earth.li Mon Jun 18 17:08:37 2007
From: Kake L Pugh <kake@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 17:08:36 +0100
Message-ID: <20070618160836.GD24203@the.earth.li>
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On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrote:
> Where is the 'site' feed located?

 <site_url>?action=index;format=atom

It's basically the category/locale index with no index_type or index_value.
Also works with format=map or indeed no format parameter at all.

Kake


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From crschmidt@crschmidt.net Mon Jun 18 17:14:21 2007
From: Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt@crschmidt.net>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:14:09 -0400
Message-ID: <20070618161409.GC3597@crschmidt.net>
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 05:08:36PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrote:
> > Where is the 'site' feed located?
> 
>  <site_url>?action=index;format=atom
> 
> It's basically the category/locale index with no index_type or index_value.
> Also works with format=map or indeed no format parameter at all.

Ah, right, I have to disable those on Boston, else my server gets dead.
(Loading all 13,000 nodes into memory to template them results in a
250MB Apache process -- 4 of those will run me out of RAM, 12 of them
will run me out of RAM and swap.) 

Regards,
-- 
Christopher Schmidt
Web Developer


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From david@cantrell.org.uk Mon Jun 18 20:56:18 2007
From: David Cantrell <david@cantrell.org.uk>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 20:56:19 +0100
Message-ID: <4676E363.3050301@cantrell.org.uk>
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Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 05:08:36PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
>> On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrote:
>>> Where is the 'site' feed located?
>>  <site_url>?action=index;format=atom
>> It's basically the category/locale index with no index_type or index_value.
>> Also works with format=map or indeed no format parameter at all.
> Ah, right, I have to disable those on Boston, else my server gets dead.
> (Loading all 13,000 nodes into memory to template them results in a
> 250MB Apache process -- 4 of those will run me out of RAM, 12 of them
> will run me out of RAM and swap.) 

Can you bung a squid in front of the server and have it only let that
query through to the server once an hour or something similar, sending
everyone else cached results?

-- 
David Cantrell | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david

      Blessed are the pessimists, for they test their backups


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From crschmidt@crschmidt.net Mon Jun 18 23:57:51 2007
From: Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt@crschmidt.net>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OGDev] Summary field in atom/rss index
Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:57:47 -0400
Message-ID: <20070618225747.GB10986@crschmidt.net>
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On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 08:56:19PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> Christopher Schmidt wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 05:08:36PM +0100, Kake L Pugh wrote:
> >> On Mon 18 Jun 2007, Christopher Schmidt <crschmidt(a)crschmidt.net> wrot=
e:
> >>> Where is the 'site' feed located?
> >>  <site_url>?action=3Dindex;format=3Datom
> >> It's basically the category/locale index with no index_type or index_val=
ue.
> >> Also works with format=3Dmap or indeed no format parameter at all.
> > Ah, right, I have to disable those on Boston, else my server gets dead.
> > (Loading all 13,000 nodes into memory to template them results in a
> > 250MB Apache process -- 4 of those will run me out of RAM, 12 of them
> > will run me out of RAM and swap.)=20
>=20
> Can you bung a squid in front of the server and have it only let that
> query through to the server once an hour or something similar, sending
> everyone else cached results?

My attempts at squid have always failed miserably. So although it may be
technically possible, it's nothing I'm going to bother to do: I've got
workarounds that scratch my itches, so I'm fine with things as is. (Keep
in mind I'm also running about 9 versions behind at this point, and have
thus far failed to make the time to upgrade.)

Regards,
--=20
Christopher Schmidt
Web Developer


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