From geowanking@downlode.org Tue Jul  6 15:32:38 2004
From: Earle Martin <geowanking@downlode.org>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Wikipedia maps
Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 15:32:37 +0100
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I just ran across this, which seems interesting: maps generated from data on
Wikipedia.

http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maps



-- 
Earle Martin
                 http://downlode.org/
http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/


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From dom@earth.li Sat Jul 10 23:11:13 2004
From: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Photo/image framework
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 23:11:12 +0100
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Since people are starting to want to contribute photos the Oxford Guide,
I've been thinking about what level of integration is appropriate with
OpenGuides.

My initial plan is as follows:

Config var image_base is a partial URL defining where to find images.
Standard subdir scheme $image_base/thumb and $image_base/normal for a
simple two-size hierachy of images.

A macro #EMBED_PHOTO [imagename] or similar, which would do, approximately:

<a href="$image_base/normal/$imagename"><img
src="$image_base/thumb/$imagename width="$width" height="$height"
border="0" alt="Image for $node_name"></a>.

A new special field in the node "photo" which would be used to define
the "primary" image for the node. This could be automagically displayed,
if present, for example to the right of the metadata in the standard web
layout.

Photo uploading I am leaving as a separate problem for now. If people
have any particular ideas I'd be interested in them, but the way I see
it the photos probably want to be reviewed rather than made public
straight away, and there is no particular need to have uploading
integrated into OpenGuides itself. I may investigate DAV, or a simple
CGI script for POSTing files.

An example hierachy is
<http://www.ox.compsoc.net/openguides/oxford/photos/>. Note that I also
have a full/ directory for the full-size photos (useful for
"remastering" the guide into print, for example) and a simple note of
who took the photo.

Any comments before I start trying to code this?

Cheers,

Dominic.


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From dom@earth.li Sun Jul 11 01:01:50 2004
From: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] A directory of Creative Commons-licensed works
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 01:01:50 +0100
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Any guide operator who has put their guide under a Creative Commons
licence may wish to enter it into <http://commoncontent.org/>.

Cheers,

Dominic.


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From alessio@sevenseas.org Sun Jul 11 10:27:25 2004
From: Alessio Bragadini <alessio@sevenseas.org>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Photo/image framework
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:27:17 +0200
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On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 00:11, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

> Photo uploading I am leaving as a separate problem for now. If people
> have any particular ideas I'd be interested in them

I am starting to use CGI::Uploader and it's a very interesting package.
It generates thumbnails on the fly (using ImageMagick and its Perl
package) and stores all information in a database. It's kind of a
heavyweight solution, though.

http://search.cpan.org/~markstos/CGI-Uploader-0.76_02/

-- 
Alessio Bragadini <alessio(a)sevenseas.org>
Sevenseas.org Hacking Community



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From dom@earth.li Mon Jul 12 23:58:30 2004
From: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] CSS documenation
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 23:58:31 +0100
Message-ID: <20040712225831.GJ30964@tirian.magd.ox.ac.uk>
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On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:17:08AM +0100, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:

> It's temporarily at
> <http://www.ox.compsoc.net/~dom/openguides-patches/README.CSS> - I'll
> either commit it to CVS in that form or incorporate it into the comments
> in a plain CSS file to be distributed as a default file.

I've committed as is. Please make sure you update it if you've changed
anything since I wrote it - this is only going to be useful if it can be
considered authoritative.

Cheers,

Dominic.


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From jo@frot.org Tue Jul 13 19:43:04 2004
From: Jo Walsh <jo@frot.org>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] an open guide to san francisco
Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 11:40:16 -0700
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hello sfdorkbots,

back in london my friends earle and kake run an Open Guide to London which ha=
s been on the dorkbot circuit a few times. http://london.openguides.org/ - a =
wiki-based city guide, with spatial metadata which you can get in RDF.=20

http://sf.openguides.org/ is an SF one i set up while staying here, tinkered =
with to add geocoding and a map service. i'm really a tourist though and don'=
t know a community of interest like the london one had - a lot of perl hacker=
s with shared interest in real ale and sushi. so i would appreciate contribut=
ions to it or commentary about it... i am aggregating the metadata in a spati=
al model useful on local free wireless services.


jo
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From dom@earth.li Thu Jul 15 22:28:39 2004
From: Dominic Hargreaves <dom@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] URI bugs
Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 22:28:41 +0100
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Hello,

Here's a bug. On the historic version display, the "View current
version" and "List all versions" links contain spaces that should have
been turned into underscores. Example:

<http://www.ox.compsoc.net/oxfordguide/?id=3DHarcourt_Arms&version=3D6>
produces the links
<http://www.ox.compsoc.net/oxfordguide/?Harcourt%20Arms> and
<http://www.ox.compsoc.net/oxfordguide/?action=3Dlist_all_versions;id=3DHarco=
urt%20Arms>

neither of which are any use.

The problem seems to be that node_param tt_var hasn't been passed
through the funtion node_name_to_node_param. Is this correct? Also, why
CGI->escape() and not CGI->escapeHTML()? (I can't actually find a
reference to escape in the CGI.pm manpage.

Cheers,

Dominic.


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From kake@earth.li Fri Jul 16 07:49:36 2004
From: Kake L Pugh <kake@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] URI bugs
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2004 07:49:36 +0100
Message-ID: <20040716064936.GD19430@the.earth.li>
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On Thu 15 Jul 2004, Dominic Hargreaves <dom(a)earth.li> wrote:
> Here's a bug. On the historic version display, the "View current
> version" and "List all versions" links contain spaces that should have
> been turned into underscores.

Added a test and fix to CVS - I'll make a release as soon as you get
back to me about that CGI.pm version thing we discussed offlist.

> The problem seems to be that node_param tt_var hasn't been passed
> through the funtion node_name_to_node_param. Is this correct?

Yes.  Although methods shouldn't be faffing with that themselves, just
passing 'node' through to OpenGuides::Template which will work out
node_name and node_param from that.

> Also, why CGI->escape() and not CGI->escapeHTML()? (I can't actually
> find a reference to escape in the CGI.pm manpage.

CGI->escape is for URL-escaping eg " " --> "%20".

Kake


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From openguides@downlode.org Sat Jul 17 10:05:16 2004
From: Earle Martin <openguides@downlode.org>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Suggestion for backlinks
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:05:16 +0100
Message-ID: <20040717090515.GB14534@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
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At present, clicking a page's title will get you a list of backlinks. It
would be useful if this listing included pages redirecting to the page as
well, although I'm not sure if that would require additional stuff in the
database. At that point, the list could then include backlinks to the
redirecting page as well.

-- 
Earle Martin
                 http://downlode.org/
http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/


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From hakim@cassimally.net Sat Jul 17 12:48:18 2004
From: osfameron <hakim@cassimally.net>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Suggestion for backlinks
Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:23:37 +0000
Message-ID: <64683.82.41.26.155.1090063417.squirrel@srv2.redbackinternet.com>
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Earle Martin said:
> At present, clicking a page's title will get you a list of backlinks.

Actually, I find this behaviour confusing enough anyway.
It's not what I expect to see when I click on the page title.  (I guess
I'd expect the page title to take you to the page... um... not that this
would be at all useful.)

I'd rather see a _backlinks_ hyperlink possibly in the navigation bar, or
at the end of the node.
-- 
osfameron


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From openguides@downlode.org Mon Jul 19 09:53:27 2004
From: Earle Martin <openguides@downlode.org>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Suggestion for backlinks
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 09:53:27 +0100
Message-ID: <20040719085327.GD6083@mythix.realprogrammers.com>
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On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 11:23:37AM -0000, osfameron wrote:
> Earle Martin said:
> > At present, clicking a page's title will get you a list of backlinks.
> 
> Actually, I find this behaviour confusing enough anyway.
> It's not what I expect to see when I click on the page title. 

You know what? I agree with you. The whole click-on-the-title thing is a
hand-me-down feature from the original WikiWiki server, which isn't known
for its verbosity.

> (I guess I'd expect the page title to take you to the page... um... not
> that this would be at all useful.)

I'd _expect_ the page title to... er... title the page. Apart from that,
nothing.

> I'd rather see a _backlinks_ hyperlink possibly in the navigation bar, or
> at the end of the node.

Seconded. Or "pages linking here" - why use jargon when plain English will
do? (Plus, that's easier to translate.)


-- 
Earle Martin
                 http://downlode.org/
http://purl.oclc.org/net/earlemartin/


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From maks@sternwelten.at Mon Jul 19 16:32:09 2004
From: maks attems <maks@sternwelten.at>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] Suggestion for backlinks
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 17:32:06 +0200
Message-ID: <20040719153206.GJ1870@sputnik.stro.at>
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On Mon, 19 Jul 2004, Earle Martin wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 11:23:37AM -0000, osfameron wrote:
> 
> > (I guess I'd expect the page title to take you to the page... um... not
> > that this would be at all useful.)
> 
> I'd _expect_ the page title to... er... title the page. Apart from that,
> nothing.

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From ivorw-openguides@xemaps.com Fri Jul 23 16:14:51 2004
From: IvorW <ivorw-openguides@xemaps.com>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] Wikiness - discussion on london.pm mailing list
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 11:10:33 -0400
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I'd welcome feedback from OpenGuides people as well.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: london.pm-admin(a)london.pm.org
> [mailto:london.pm-admin(a)london.pm.org]On Behalf Of Tim Sweetman
> Sent: 23 July 2004 15:02
> To: london.pm(a)london.pm.org
> Subject: Re: wiki-ness (Was: Re: devolving and crack fuel)
>=20
> .....
>=20
> > if you choose the right=20
> > software you can make them go away.
> > http://search.cpan.org/~kake/CGI-Wiki-Kwiki-0.52/ is quite=20
> nice when you=20
> > make it use usemod formatting and make it not use studly=20
> caps for links.
>=20
> I think there's a basic conflict here:
> 1. authors want to write links like
> [shepherds bush]
> ShepherdsBush
> [shepherd's bush] and have them work.
>=20
> StudlyCaps are just plain easier to type, and avoid doing
> [this
>=20
> or
>=20
> ]this, and confusing the parser, and the writer, who's not that=20
> technical and isn't used to incorrect syntax blowing the=20
> bloody doors off.
>=20
> 2. readers want stuff to be formatted like English (if they=20
> care, which=20
> they might not) and to avoid miscontextualisation along the lines of
>=20
>     ... the bodyguard shepherds Bush through the throng ...
>     (not saying if it was Kate, Vannevar or a George, mind)
>=20
> Punctuation helps. StudlyCapsLookAwful, especially to=20
> nonprogrammers who=20
> are just plain not used to them.
>=20
> My solution would be:
> a) pages can have multiple names, one of which is the=20
> preferred/canonical one. (This is a bit like the more widespread=20
> "redirect node" feature)
> b) links are written with the node's canonical name.
>=20
> writer writes ShepherdsBush (or [shepherd's bush])
> reader sees Shepherd's Bush.
>=20
> (This could work well with people/entities who insist on=20
> spelling their=20
> names in a "difficult" way, such as with accents your=20
> keyboard doesn't have)
>=20
> 3. Names may themselves want canonicalisation. Is it Earl's Court or=20
> Earls Court? Probably depends which sign you read, and with=20
> place names=20
> even LynneTruss is bound to get it wrong sometimes.
>=20
> No, I haven't implemented this.

I raised this on the OpenGuides-dev list last year, see
http://openguides.org/mail/openguides-dev/2003-October/thread.html#91

I'd be very interested if it is possible to resolve these issues - at least
arriving at a sensible compromise. OpenGuides and its intrinsic search
function could do with having this matter resolved.

This is how it works at the moment:

1. Node names are normalised before being inserted into the database. This
involves turning spaces to underscores, capitalising initial letters (Title C=
ase),=20
and escaping out of pathological metacharacters that would otherwise break the
parsing.

2. Links are normalised as they are followed, permitting use of unnormalised =
text
e.g. different case.

3. Punctuation characters in titles are preserved (e.g. apostrophes, hyphens)

4. Permitted search strings have a restricted character set

As keeper of the search, I would like to know if we have got this right or no=
t,
especially the normalisation aspect of this.

We are also being faced with new challenges, regarding character sets and int=
ernationalization.

Your feedback would be most welcome :).

Ivor.




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From beowulf@carisenda.com Fri Jul 23 17:09:04 2004
From: Stephen Stewart <beowulf@carisenda.com>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: Re: [OpenGuides-Dev] locator plugins
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 09:09:09 -0700
Message-ID: <20040723160909.GA14462@carisenda.com>
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On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 03:12:38PM +0100, David Cantrell wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 09:29:48AM -0400, IvorW wrote:
>=20
> > More to the point is the accuracy of the other factor - the radius of the=
 Earth.
>=20
> The variation is of the order of 20km in 6370km.
>=20
...

So, how's things coming along with getting OpenGuides to work on
other, or a univeral, ellipse?

Stephen


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From kake@earth.li Mon Jul 26 22:04:47 2004
From: Kake L Pugh <kake@earth.li>
To: openguides-dev@lists.openguides.org
Subject: [OpenGuides-Dev] OpenGuides 0.38 - improved search results
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 22:04:56 +0100
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I just released OpenGuides 0.38, which has major improvements to the
search results ordering.  Check out
  http://un.earth.li/~kake/cgi-bin/og/wiki.cgi
which is running on a snapshot of the London data from this afternoon.

The summaries still need work, but at least the results are coming out
in a sensible order now.

Kake




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